This was not the living wage idea at all B/Q!

Chris French scribbled

A few years ago, every village had a hardware/DIY store. Then the sheds arrived and killed them off. Now the sheds are suffering. I wonder if there are parallels to be drawn with the problems the major supermarkets are having. Perhaps there is a place for the small, knowledgeable shopkeeper.
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
Wrote in message:

Because there are more of them than the market needs.

Yes, there are more of those than the market needs too.

Not enough of a place to be viable except in the most isolated places IMO.
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload

Or they have enough of a clue to realise that they are in financial trouble and that cutting their costs may well allow them to continue to provide the jobs and that going bust instead would see all those jobs lost.
Consulting the workforce isnt going to see the workforce coming up with anything better than decent management can come up with.

Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload

They must have truly excellent management given their profits are down once more and they've been closing stores for years.
--
*The longest recorded flightof a chicken is thirteen seconds *

Dave Plowman snipped-for-privacy@davenoise.co.uk London SW
  Click to see the full signature.
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload

The proverb "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink" comes to mind. DIY is going out of fashion.
--
from KT24 in Surrey, England

Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
wrote:

Not out of fashion so much as far fewer young people are able to buy a run down dump now and turn it into a decent place to live.
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
On 24/03/2016 18:11, charles wrote:

it's all about creating a few huge organisations that are able to dictate their own terms and conditions to the people that work for them.
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
I personally feel its not diy which is goinout of fashion, its fashion that dictates people must change all the time just look at the tv shows on changing the way rooms and whole houses look. Sooner or later folk will realise its just a way to generate revenue for companies who do this sort of work.
Its never been so easy to make your own shelves, make custom coloour paint and even to make your own furniture etc. I think shops like B/Q have lost their way by the way they package tings. I have drawers full of old rawl plugs screws bits of hardware not needed for things I've done yet had to be bought due to the fact they are packaged that way.
Brian
--
----- -
This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from...
  Click to see the full signature.
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload

It is difficult to find an old-fashioned hardware srore selling individual screws, etc. That's becasue o packet of 10 from B&Q cost far less than getting the 4 you needed from the local store. Machine counting and filling bags is so much cheaper
--
from KT24 in Surrey, England

Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload

And a box of a hundred from Toolstation is likely to cost about the same as that 10 from B&Q. ;-)
IMHO, the reason the sheds initially won out over the hardware store was you could look for what you wanted yourself. And not have to show your ignorance by asking the hardware shop assistant. But now you can look stuff up online, you don't need to roam around a shed.
--
*All those who believe in psychokinesis, raise my hand *

Dave Plowman snipped-for-privacy@davenoise.co.uk London SW
  Click to see the full signature.
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload

Could it just be the closure of local education craft centres (woodwork/metalwork) and the switch to CDT? Around the early '80's IIRC. Those and later students will be today's re-furbishing home owners.

--
Tim Lamb

Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
writes

Only if they can afford to buy a house. Few of those can now.

Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload

That's simply not true. A huge number of people like to re-decorate etc long before it is actually needed. And long before sheds etc arrived.
--
*I don't have a solution, but I admire your problem. *

Dave Plowman snipped-for-privacy@davenoise.co.uk London SW
  Click to see the full signature.
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
On Friday, 25 March 2016 11:36:29 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

The promotion of it massively increases paint sales
NT
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload

I think that is much more about there being far fewer doing DIY just because far fewer are able to buy a very run down place and turn it into a very decent place to live than there used to be and what B&Q has been trying to do to replace that part of their older business that no longer gets used anything like as much in a hope to stay viable as a business.

Sure, but that has always been that way except in the most dinosaury operations where you can buy just a one bolt of the right size etc from bins of them.

Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload

No management can do a damned thing about the situation where the number of people using their stores has dropped dramatically because far fewer people can afford to buy run down houses and turn them into decent places to live. The only thing to do in that situation is to shut the stores that aren't profitable because there are too many of their stores.
No surprise that you needed a union to even wipe your arse.
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
wrote

Except that, at the same time there is a growing trend for people not to "diy" but to "get a man in".
As there is still the same amount of consumables being bought B&Q ought to be able to win the same amount of business here
why do they not achieve this?
tim
(I accept that this trend result in lower sales of tools)
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload

Because that man you get in will go to the cheapest convenient source of materials. Which is usually anywhere but B&Q. Wickes tending to be the cheapest of the common sheds.
--
*Re-elect nobody

Dave Plowman snipped-for-privacy@davenoise.co.uk London SW
  Click to see the full signature.
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
wrote:

did you really think that was in doubt with anyone other than Wodney?
tim
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload

Its certainly true that as real living standards improve significantly, people have a lot more choices and can afford to pay someone to do what they aren't confident of being able to do themselves or prefer to get someone else to do.

Not when those who are paid to do the work don’t usually use operations like B&Q for various reasons.

Because the sort of people who do get paid to do the work don’t get what they need from B&Q.

And yes, all those rented houses clearly have an owner and the owner will normally be doing more work on them between tenants than you see with houses that have the owner living in them. And those landlords are quite likely to pay someone to do that work just because that reduces the time taken and so the time when there is no tenant paying the rent.
But again, the problem for B&Q is that those who are paid to do that sort of work don’t usually buy what they need from B&Q for various reasons and are much more likely to buy what they need from operations that do aggressive trade discounts etc.
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload

HomeOwnersHub.com is a website for homeowners and building and maintenance pros. It is not affiliated with any of the manufacturers or service providers discussed here. All logos and trade names are the property of their respective owners.