Talk about selfish old people..

It looks as though nearly all the youngsters, that is the people that will be most affected by the referendum, voted to stay in.
So loads of old codgers have voted on a major issue that has no effect on them at all and left a mess for the next generation or two.
So it would be likely that all that has happened is that the UK will reapply in a few years time when the old codgers have gone and rejoin at but with worse terms.
That is assuming there is a UK and not a little England.
I can just imagine Scotland going independent and then joining the EU and vetoing England's application.
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On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 10:39:40 +0100, dennis@home

I must admit as an "old codger", I did get miffed about EU interference in trivia, although seing some stupid moron being interviewed on the BBC this morning, I realise that there was no thought behind the actions of a lot of the exit mob. The particular cretin involved was a fisherman who was aware that the fish stocks had improved and saw it as his duty to bring all the fish caught home to feed Britain cheaply using the stuff that wasn't allowed to be landed.
Obviously he had conservation at heart, he didn't want to throw back the overcatch and have it wasted.
Now he hopes he'll be fishing for "overcatch"!
There wasn't a very good educational system fifty years back. Further education was a rarity but the gap could be filled with blind patriotism and the knowledge that everywhere outside Britain was populated by Gunga Din's eager and willing to serve.
Good luck to the Scot's. I'm sure many will be only too happy for a second bite at the cherry.
It'll make for a novel experience, The M6 was always fairly good past Carlisle. The queues of HGV's at customs will be a pain. just like Drogheda used to be [and will be again if NI don't get their act together].
I didn't vote, I didn't feel too strongly either way, but the more I think about it the more horrific the situation seems.
The EU did some truly amazing things, and oddly enough I suspect we may be the "sacrificial lamb". Brussels may perhaps start to sit up & take notice of the opinions of those left in. Simply connecting more with the EU population might be a good idea.
all I can say is the best of luck and thank God I have an EU botlhole if there are any Irish passports left.
At least the Irish will stay the course, their educational system was run by the Christian Brothers. Complete phsycopaths, but they did seem to manage to pass on the ability to recognise which side of the bread was buttered!
AB
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wrote:

It's only been extended past Carlisle in very recnt years. (2008)
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Funny how roads seem to get ingrained into the "system". Afteer a few trips they seem like they have always existed.
I could have sworn that I was calling at Asda for the last 11 years or so, although the prcise road details further on are not clear. I do rember roadwork past those two "services" at the north end and they went on for years
Still anyone investing in a chip shop, off licence and currency exchange counter will not go too far wrong :-) AB
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On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 12:09:28 +0100, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp

Not quite sure what point you're making there, but for information and in case you didn't realise it, overcatch is dead. Once the fish are subject to the traumas of being caught, hauled out of the water and sorted into 'permitted' and 'not permitted', and the latter thrown back, they're dead and only serve as food for the gulls or else they just rot on the sea floor. They don't happily swim away to continue their lives and have lots of babies!
At least if the overcatch were brought ashore, it could usefully be sold, even if it were at a knock-down price into the fishmeal fertiliser business.
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Oh dear!
The keyword is "sold". If overcatch has a monetary value then it will be a target, or even if it isn't seen as a direct target whats to stop a boat pulling up tons of undersized or protected fish in the hope of catching one or two of something saleable.
It isn't ideal, but if the overcatch is dumped then the skipper will do his best to avoid wasting rescources will he not?
If he can't do that and goes out of buisiness, it isn't a problem. The fish will grow, mature and be harvested responsibly and fairly for someone with a more responsible approach.
As stated, it isn't ideal but if you want to go back to the way things happened before I have little doubt what the result will be. Fishmongers counters filled with farmed salmon and splodges of processed protein scraped off shellfish.
AB.
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On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 12:46:51 +0100, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp

I'm inclined to agree, but it grates with most of the fishermen to have to throw back perfectly good, if dead, fish. The knock-down price I mentioned could be set by the EU (except now it won't be), and not necessarily at a level for the fisherman to make a profit. At least good fish wouldn't be thrown away.
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On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 12:09:28 +0100, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:

Once they plugged the "Cumberland Gap" but even now it's only the M6 for about 11 miles from J43 (7 from J44, Carlisle North).
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I don't know about your moron, but the fairly small boat fishermen round here have one major complaint. They traditionally and effectively managed the stocks themselves until the CFP started to affect them. Since then they complain about huge French trawlers just off the estuary (Dee and Mersey) "scooping up all the fish" and destroying their fishing grounds.
As far as I can tell, the number of these small, up to about 40 foot, boats has been in terminal decline and I wouldn't expect any of the men involved would have voted to stay.
And I was trying not to get sucked into any of this OT discussion.
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Complete bollocks. Willing to bet the basics were far better taught than today. And that's not the fault of the schools.
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On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 15:34:52 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"

It was my generation.
The quality of teaching was o/k but the opportunities were very limited.
I remember being told how fortunate I was in secondary school, the number of pupils taking "o" levels were in single figures out of over a hundred. A "o" level is't exactly mensa admission material BTW.
Last time I went back to the same school the entrance was filled with recent graduates photos.
The pupills were from the same area/ gene pool, there was nothing wrong with the teaching staff. There was absolutely no opportunity for advancement for most though.
I'm afraid it was the system, nothing else! Even if we could rattle off multiplication tables and a few French nouns, the knowledge accumulated wasn't that relevant.
Methinks there is something sadly amis when local shops have to use discrete quantities or pounds & ounces this far down the line.
Even then sauntering off to Ireland did expose me to characters with an ability to switch from Irish to English and latin. It probably wasn't directly useful, but I know a lot ended up in England after graduation.
Likewise while people half my age are kicking up a rumpus because they can't buy their frozen pizzas in pounds and ounces in England, over in Ireland I'll clamber into my hire car [km/ hour] and everything is metric. So much easier.
[Copper pipe fittings excepted] I still dont understand why 22mm and 15 mm is the norm here, yet imperial is still used in the republic.
There, a DIY angle after all :-)
AB
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On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 17:23:25 +0100, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:

Graduates in what and where from? Remember these days any tin pot college calls itself a "university", they have "graduates" but quite likely not at degree level.
Also you *have* to be in employment, further education, or training from "school leaving age" of 16. Real employment is a bit tricky at 16/17 as you aren't an "adult", so there are restrictions and all manner of obligations employing a "minor" brings along. So as a 16 year old you don't have much choice but to be an apprentice, go to 6th Form and A levels or into "training" at what would have been the local poly or technical college but is now a "university".
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On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 11:39:23 +0100 (BST), "Dave Liquorice"

Dunno but it's gone a long way from the establishment I used to attend.
The school does up to "A" level now, so the graduates would actually have been "processed" elsewhere.
Photos of ex pupils wearing mortar boards are very distant from the somewhat dubious sports trophies I remember from my stint there.
AB
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Whose fault is it then?
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I suspect things were not that good years back actually.
I clearly recollect being threatened with a pair of scissors in primary school. These were to be used to cut off the offending digit[s] if I continued to use my left hand.
This would have been in 1959, St Josephs primary school, Hall St Burslem S-O-T. The Teacher was Mrs Mc Corry, who lived in a villiage outside the city [I think Rode Heath]
Now something must have made an impression if that lot stayed in the memory banks.
We just don't get the same level of motivation these days.
And I still write with my left hand!!!
You can keep your freudian theories on motivation, your computers, B ed's etc, and replace them with a pair of scissors.
AB
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You've just lost that bet on the basics of being able to read and write alone.

Even sillier than you usually manage.

I know they weren't based on the number that left school without being able to read or write alone.

Certainly explains how you are today }-(

True. My only similar recollection is being pissed off at being told that I could say 'we jumped on the train' in one of my first essays in primary school.
But I have always been right handed.

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On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 12:52:22 +0100, N_Cook wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36604520
[Gas market specialist Niall Trimble of the Energy Contract Company]
"There's the immediate problem that we might not be able to fill it in time for winter. I suspect we might not be able to fill it completely."
"Mr Trimble said that if Europe had to endure a cold winter, it might be difficult for the UK to bolster its supplies with gas from the continent."
"If stocks look tight, we can try to source more LNG [liquefied natural gas] shipments. But they can take several weeks to arrive," he added."
Just ordered 4 dumpy bags of logs...
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On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 10:39:40 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

Wouldn't matter even if they did. Art. 50 doesn't require *all* member states to assent to it.
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On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 11:44:10 +0100, Dave Liquorice wrote:

I for one voted Leave *in the best interests of* the young people. I'm old enough to remember what life was like pre-EU/CM and I want them to enjoy those same freedoms and opportunities I had. A lot of older people voted OUT for the same reason. We're far from selfish!
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I lived and worked in Spain for 16 years. That wouldn't have been possible without the EU and the freedom to live and work anywhere in the EU. I now own a house there and have Spanish citizenship. Again, very difficult without the EU.

Yeah, whatever.
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