Selling house with self installed boiler

[Seri]

This is a purely hypothetical question at the moment, but it's for my peice of mind, and so if I need to do something about it, I can set the varous balls rolling now.

Last year I ripped out the two existing boilers in our house and replaced them with a very nice Worcester Bosch Condensing Combi. I followed every single peice of documentation I could find on correct fitting and comissioning procedures, flushed the system no end, replaced yards of dodgy pipe work, etc etc. I hired a flue gas analyser and also a gas leak detector and tested every last damn component that I may have touched. Ensured the flue was in a location that obeyed every rule and procedure, including the ones that are merely 'advised'.

Basically, I made sure I did the job that a complete anal retentive would have done, for peice of mind, and of course, for the satisfaction of a job well done.

So, to the question. I know that self installed gas appliances a fine if they're for my own use in my own home, but, what do I need to be aware of as and when I come to sell this property? Do I need to pay the Corgi man for an inspection and certificate? And if so, is it likely to be a royal pain in the posterior?

I don't plan to sell the place for quite some time yet, but even so, it's nice to know and be prepared.

Thanks for any and all response

Seri

[Owain]

The legal issue will be one of Building Regulations, as you are presumably not one of the groups allowed to self-certify the installation of a new boiler, you should have made a Building Regs application. This covers compliance with part L (England and Wales) and would cover upgrading the controls etc as required, as well as new boiler. It wouldn't actually cover gas safety AIUI.

You could get a Corgi to do a current 'Landlord's' certificate and keep quiet about having done it yourself.

Owain

[David McNeish]

Speaking as a conveyancer, I wouldn't worry about it. I very much doubt anyone would ask questions about it unless the purchaser or their surveyor spotted something they thought was fishy/faulty about the appliances. And even then, all they're likely to want to know is whether it works.

David

[Dave Jones]

I believe the correct legal term is 'compentant person' which corgi define as 'a person who has gained the nessary qualifications to do so'.

Just say nothing, if anybody asks for the paperwork, just say the plumber never gave you any, and have not been able to find him since!

Most estate agents when selling the property will sell it as 'appliences untested', putting the onus on the new owner.

[Doctor Evil]

Not correct. The law say competent but doesn't define it. Qualifications or corgi membership are not required to work without payment.

You can get a landlords certificate and keep that.

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[Richard Faulkner]

In message , Seri writes

If you know that it is fitted correctly, what can a Corgi inspector find wrong?

I would have the inspection so that any issues are raised now rather than when your buyers surveyor tells them to get it checked by a Corgi registered specialist.

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In message , Doctor Evil wrote

How many Corgi registered installers have the appropriate electrical qualifications needed to legally install a boiler in common household locations?

[The Natural Philosopher]

Speaking as someone who sold me mums house recently, they wanted an up to date certificate of safety on the appliances.

[John Rumm]

You are correct about the qualifications etc, however that is not what he said. He said that is the *CORGI* definition of "competent person".

That is not necessarily the same as the legal one!

[John]

Only a few but for a replacement boiler which has existing supply point and controls the only "wiring" as such may be minor works re-connecting the existing wires into the boiler terminals. The use of wireless link stats is also going to become prevalent. Many non electrical competent installers used to have a tame electrician who did the wiring for them. As long as he/she takes up the fat buffoons registration rules things will carry on as before.

[Doctor Evil]

Qualifications

I don't know. Interesting, but besides the point that any one can work on gas as long as they are:

1. "competent" - not defined.
2. Receives no payment

So, you can do your own, your neighbours, your mothers.

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[Doctor Evil]

Qualifications

Only the law matters, not corgi. They have done an excellent job at convincing mainly their own members that they are "the" authority and only they can work on gas.

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[Doctor Evil]

Qualifications

I see high flowrate combi's becoming more common because of virtually no wiring, with mains connections via a 3 pin plug.

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[Tony Bryer]

And if I read the latest PHAM mag correctly they are now requiring all CORGI members to register every job with them, a level of control and bureaucracy that even JP would not contemplate.

[Andy Hall]

It sounds as though the Inland Revenue is offering franchises.

[Doctor Evil]

They are offering a service to send a letter to all installations telling them that it was installed by a registered corgi engineer. A BS letter. The installers have to pay for this standard letter.

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[Andy Hall]

By BS, do you mean British Standard or something like JP's other literary efforts?

[Doctor Evil]

..our deputy PM is not in the frame ..to gather more money is CORGI's aim ..they send out BS at installers behest ..to con the poor customer that they are the best.

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[Seri]

Thanks for the responses, definately enough to put my mind at ease. Think I'll ring around a few Corgi registered types and see how much they're going to want to issue a Landlords Certicate.

Thanks all for the helpful advice.

Seri

[John Stumbles]

Well, it is partly down to JP. There are 2 issues here:

(1) is that CORGI themselves require installers to notify them of every gas appliance they install (and to pay to do this notification*). AIUI at some point in the future when new appliances are sold the sales will be notified to CORGI who will chase up a buyer if they haven't had a record of installation of their appliance from a registered installer within a certain time.

(2) is that JP (or his minions) hath decreed that under Parts J and L CORGI registered installers can no longer simply self-certify installations but must notify the BCO of each installation. CORGI have set up a scheme which installers can opt in to, to notify the BCO on the installer's behalf when the installer notifies them (CORGI) as per (1) above.

Clear?

And I haven't even mentioned Part P .....

• There was some talk in the recent Gas Installer magazine about moving from a fixed fee for registration to a scheme based more on fees per job done. This would be fairer for installers as the fewer gas jobs they do the less they'd pay**. For example I know a Miele dealer who Miele require to maintain CORGI registration so that he can install the full renge of their appliances including a very few gas ones.

** No doubt CORGI would ensure that the overall change was revenue-neutral to them, wouldn't they? :-|