OT - What will be completely unacceptable in 100 years - or even 50

[Chris B]

In another thread Tim put together a list of things, where attitudes have changed over the years.

For completeness I have copied it below

================================== Many many people actively protest against all sorts of 'bad things' over time, be it (historically) ending slavery, giving women the vote, giving women and minorities equal rights in industry / employment, allowing same-sex marriage, stopping dog / c*ck fighting and hunting with dogs, prohibiting smoking in pubic places, forcing people to wear seatbelts or helmets and deterring them from using their phone whilst driving and now it's the awareness of the unacceptability of many of the practices some currently accept re we how we think we can treat a sub-set of certain animals (the ones we call live stock).

Cheers, T i m ===================================

As a purely academic exercise as no-one will be about to see it would anyone like to suggest what attitudes may have changed in another 100 years?

As a starter - Using fossil fuels to heat your home. Travelling 50 or

100 miles to work - even "allowing" people to work.

Don't really want to get into the political rights and wrongs of any suggestions, just ideas for where attitudes may change.

There must be many more

[Tim Streater]

[snip]

50 years ago (or perhaps more) some people were expecting that we'd have given up food altogether by now, and just imbibe a small plate of pills everyday which would replace food. This overlooked that people like to eat in a social setting, and that our digestive systems don't work that way.

There was also the prediction of the use of gyrocopters etc flying from Heathrow to the centre of London. This was tried but they'd overlooked how f****ng noisy it was, plus questions of safety.

So y'see, making predictions is a mugs game.

[Chris B]

Oh I know that, but I'm amazed to see that many people make money from guessing about the future - I even met someone who worked for a large company once and his sole job was to "predict" (as in guess) where society would go in 5, 10, 20 and 50 years.

[T i m]

And you have all the people making good money in the 'futures market' of course ...

Cheers, T i m

[The Natural Philosopher]

A week is a long time in politics, 15 years is more like a different planet.

Willing to bet you that whatever the world is like in 2035 it is NOTHING like the ecotards imagine.

Britain will be a camel riding theocracy subject to the Grand Caliphate most likely.

[Andrew]

They could get older diesel-engined cars and 4x4's off the road now by simply wacking up road tax.

[Tim+]

They could, but they want to be re-elected. ;-).

There?s no point in driving folk towards EVs too quickly because quite simply the supply isn?t there yet and nor is the infrastructure to support a large increase in EVs. These things take time to ramp up.

Tim

[Tim Streater]

And the shit will hit the fan once those living on terraced rows find they cannot charge their EV up overnight, or someone trips over a cable they have laid through the front window to the kerb.

Or the scrotes come along with their snippers and half-inch most of everyone's charging cables.

I'd still like to know where are the 10 or so large windmills needed to provide the volts for the electric station (replacement for the petrol station) at my local Morrisons. I keep asking questions like these AND NONE OF THE EV PROPONENTS CAN BE ARSED TO DEAL WITH THEM. Or prove that they are strawmen, f'rinstance.

[Tim+]

I?m not gonna pretend I know the answers to all these problems but there are folk with no home charging facilities managing just fine with a combination of workplace and public chargers. You don?t have the capability to fill your car up with petrol or diesel at home and yet, somehow you manage.

For a large number, probably the majority of users, charging will be done at home overnight which means that you don?t need similar charging rates/fuel filling rates as are currently possible with liquid fuels.

Where will it all come from? Where there?s a will there?s a way.

Tim

[charles]

Could be fun if the cable is live ;-)

[Tim Streater]

That won't stop the scrotes. Someone here posted a link, a couple of years ago, of the outcome of soem scrotes ignoring the warning notices posted at a small urban substation and climbing in with a view to nicking all that lovely cabling. They got fried.

The scrotes who cut through the 400-pair between us and the tiny exchange building in the next village about a mile away pulled out some hundreds of feet of this cable from teh duct, then realised they had no idea how to coil it up and transport it.

[Tim Streater]

That's because the time to refill a car with organic fuel is no more than 5 minutes. Unlike electric.

Make that "minority". Most people in this country live in urban areas, usually dense ones.

People haven't yet woken up to what will be needed. As usual, when they do, and find what is involved, and find that it's not obvious whether it can be done or not, they will kick up (and start blaming other people).

[soup]

True but then again I have a fully fueled range of ~1,000-1090 km as against an (average)EV (now) of 290km(ish). And refueling my car takes minutes as opposed to the hours and... of full EVs .

So 3~4 times the distance(ish) between refuels. and those refuels taking minutes instead of hours.

Living in a city (well the outskirts) I have an awful lot of fuel stations to choose from I have only seen 1 (one) EV charging point at a local(ish) supermarket .

Son's boss has a full EV vehicle but she seems to charge it at work with a cord hanging out the window but as she is the boss/owner this is not a problem for her, however Joe Normal at his office can hardly string cables out the window. Maybe JN works for a far sighted company that has a charging station at work but then can this charging station cope if everyone in the firm switched to full EV.

There are two pavements and a grass area between me and the road (well car park) so I couldn't possibly drape a power line out the window.

I drive a self-charging hybrid , so I am partially there but there has to be a LOT more infrastructure and an improvement in technology before I would fully commit.

I have no doubt that one day everyone will drive EV but until the infrastructure/technology improves self-charging seems to be the way to go.

[The Natural Philosopher]

As the openreach engineer said 'there is no market for second hand optical fibre'

[charles]

But the gutter prss decided that was the fault of the railway for not installing strong enough fences to keep them out.

[Tim+]

Most EV *owners* will charge at home. If you live in densely populated urban areas you should be using the bus. ;-)

Legislating and then not knowing how to deliver is standard government policy. Just look at Brexit.

FWIW, I really do think EVs are the future of personal transportation and countries all over the world are pledging to phase out petrol and diesel cars. We should be looking at countries like Norway who already considerably further down the road in this regard to see how they?re dealing with urban charging.

Tim

[charles]

Only if itb goes where and when you want. A friend who worked at Surrey University was told she had to use the bus. She worked till 6.30 and the last bus left at 5.30.

[Tim Streater]

I'd like to think they're the future, but what one would like doesn't always map onto the possible. Norway has a much lower population density than we do (England: 432/sq km, Norway: 14/sq km) and a large amount of hydro power. Whether what they do can be implemented here is another matter.

[soup]

Even you know, that is not always desirable/convenient . I assume that's why the smiley is there

[T i m]

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No, but if you are able to use a std domestic outlet it wouldn't take much to add some external sockets if desired.

I used to (also) charge my full EV at work over 30 years ago so shouldn't really be 'far sighted' today?

Or maybe the fact that I drove an EV and fitted the charging point at work myself (with their permission) made me the 'far sighted' one? ;-)

Cheers, T i m