Re: EU Petition

Personally I think one has to play the game by making concessions or appearing to etc. I'm not at all sure what all of this will mean in any case. I think the whole eu is heading for a crisis which in some ways is inevitable but in others a shame as it has stopped wars for some years, but people are now realising its all based around a completely impossible goal. Brian
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Brian Gaff wrote :

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On Sunday, 4 February 2018 09:36:28 UTC, Harry Bloomfield wrote:

The EUSSR has stopped no wars. NATO and nuclear weapons did that.
In fact the EUSSR has caused wars and is set to cause more.
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So there have been no wars since NATO and nuclear weapons?
Or are you only talking about your village again?
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On Sun, 04 Feb 2018 10:46:11 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"

You know he holds a very special position in his village don't you? ;-)
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On 04/02/18 09:47, harry wrote:

I certainly think it has been used as an excuse for wars, or at least conflict. I'm not suggesting the EU set out to do that or the excuse was valid but the expansion 'to the east' and links to former eastern bloc countries provided an excuse for Russia to get involved - as invalid as that excuse may be.
Even worse, the expansion etc hasn't really benefited the 'core' EU - the 'newer' nations are a financial burden which just soak up money.
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On Sunday, 4 February 2018 13:02:09 UTC, Brian Reay wrote:

Exactly so.
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Interesting to see that it's now six of the smaller nations that have told the EU to get stuffed with their migrant quote bullshit.
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On 04/02/2018 17:56, Tim Streater wrote:

Another brexiteer that doesn't know the difference between migrants and refugees.
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On Sun, 4 Feb 2018 18:20:04 +0000, "dennis@home"
<snip> >> Interesting to see that it's now six of the smaller nations that have

They don't need to, they are all just 'foreigners' to them and should stay in their own countries and especially stay out of *their* 'Little England'.
Coming over here, doing all the jobs the natives don't want to do and doing so better in any case. How very dare they.
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On 04/02/2018 18:44, T i m wrote:

Refugees aren't allowed to work and they have to live on benefits. They can't take our jobs.
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On Sun, 4 Feb 2018 18:56:58 +0000, "dennis@home"

Quite ... but like I said, not that the fanatical Brexiteers care about the difference.

And as long as it's 'our' lifelong scroungers on benefits, that's ok.
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On 04/02/2018 18:56, dennis@home wrote:

That's not true. Many do work, some go to university at tax payers expense. A right to remain usually is tied to working.
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On 05/02/2018 00:39, Fredxx wrote:

Then they aren't refugees are they. They are immigrants.
Refugees aren't allowed to work.
Its quite simple, anyone that can vote to alter the country's future should be able to understand these things.
Those that need the tabloids to make their minds up for them probably don't have the intelligence to make major decisions. You can tell by the way they keep posting links to stories in them that are always wrong but fail to notice they get shot down all the time.
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Refugees aren't allowed to work when their claim for refugee status has been rejected and they are here unlawfully. But I think that if they are accepted as refugees then they *are* allowed to work.

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On 05/02/2018 11:59, Roger Hayter wrote:

Dennis can't accept any fact he doesn't agree with.
He must be the type if he says a lie often enough, he'll start believing it himself.
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On 05/02/2018 12:38, Fredxx wrote:

If a refugee has his claim accepted then they are given residency rights and are ex-refugees. Is this too difficult for you?
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That is new and strange definition of refugee. Until their claim has been accepted they are hoping to be accepted as refugees, though they are also objectively refugees all along. Once accepted they remain refugees as long as they stay away from the place they fled from. Only if they return (perhaps after a change of government) do they ever become ex-refugees. Even if the situation changes and they could return they remain refugees. There are plenty of people around in this counttry who were and are still refugees from Nazi Germany.
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So are they not allowed to work?
That was the point.
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I thought we had disposed of the idea that refugees were not allowed to work. It is people who the government *doesn't* think are genuine refugees that are not allowed to work. They may of course actually *be* refugees but they have not been granted that status, or they would be allowed to work.
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