Seems only a few months ago the UK law was invoked to give parliament a
say in the Brexit negotiations.
Dreadful, says May etc - we need to keep our cards close to our chest when
Now it seems she wishes to do this via a public speech at Florence.
Is this another example of 'strong and stable' government?
*Growing old is inevitable, growing up is optional
Dave Plowman firstname.lastname@example.org London SW
On Thu, 21 Sep 2017 12:56:55 -0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk
Funnily enough, I asked my mate in Denmark a couple of days ago if
'Brexit' ever came up in any conversations at work or home and he said
His only comment on it was the company he works for buys some parts
for equipment they make from the UK and if we end up with a customs
border back then it will be a big PITA (delays not money etc) for them
and they may well look elsewhere (within the EU) for supply.
Cheers, T i m
On Thu, 21 Sep 2017 13:46:47 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
A speech the EU isn't going to ....
No European Commission officials will be travelling to Florence to attend
Theresa May’s landmark speech on the Brexit negotiations, The Independent
can reveal, in what appears to be a snub to the Prime Minister.
The Independent understands that Brussels officials and negotiators will
be staying away from the PM’s critical address, despite chief EU
negotiator Michel Barnier already being in Italy to address local
politicians the day before.
In the audience instead will be Ms May’s own cabinet ministers –
including Boris Johnson, who laid out his own (conflicting) vision for
what Brexit should look like, in a 4,000-word Daily Telegraph article
less than a week ago.
So much for the reassurance often stated by Brexiteers that the EU
needs the UK more than the UK needs the EU.
Of course the UK imports more EU goods than the other way
around. However, the pro-EU states seem prepared to accept this loss
of income if it teaches the lesson that leavers, now and in the
future, will incur a financial cost based on principle not logic.
Don't be silly. If the EU can only be held together by threats and
bullying then it should be dissolved altogether and new arrangements
The problem is not so much having an EU, it's *this* EU, this *corrupt*
and *undemocratic* EU.
And FYI, there aren't any "little englanders", and they haven't sold me
anything; I've known about how unfit for purpose the EU is for many
"It is hard to imagine a more stupid decision or more dangerous way of
making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people
Oh dear. You seem to be among those who think the EU should do
exactly what the UK tells it to. The EU has never been a club for the
UK to control. It's about cooperation - which it is not getting much
from the UK now.
What we're about to get now is the worst of both "worlds": We'll
still be paying large sums of money to the EU but getting nothing back
and having no say over EU rules.
It's no less democratic and corrupt than the UK political system,
better in fact.
From your posts you seem to be a "little englander" based on your
Cooperation is a two-way street. This is negotiation between the EU27
and the UK. Meaning that we don't do what the EU says merely because we
are still in it - the process should be negotiated, as it says in the
Treaty. So far the EU has turned up, said "This is what is going to
happen", and expected us to knuckle forehead and sign on the dotted
line without further ado.
"People don't buy Microsoft for quality, they buy it for compatibility
with what Bob in accounting bought last year. Trace it back - they buy
The EU isnt. Its actually about their way or the
highway with stuff like the eurozone, schengen,
unelected bureaucrats deciding policy etc etc etc.
Because the majority who bothered to vote voted to leave.
You get to like that or lump it.
Bullshit on deciding who can come to the country alone.
More bullshit on deciding who gets to move to Britain alone.
Britain gets no say on EU rules now. It got no say
on new joiners being forced to join the eurozone,
on the free movement of EU citizens within the EU,
or even on whether accept its quota of illegals.
Corse its much less democratic when the EP cant even write its
own legislation and can only vote on whether to accept or reject
what unelected bureaucrats have presented and can't even sack
one of them, it has to sack the whole lot if its pissed off enough.
Even sillier than you usually manage, and that's saying something.
He can't when he has always said that the EEC was a
great idea but that the EU isnt on quite a bit of the detail
they force on countrys that are considering joining.
Little Englanders are very much alive and kicking. They are
Farage and Johnson's supporters.
These Litle Englanders seem to forget how, for decades after the
war Britain slipped behind it's European neighbours economically
and was known as the sick man of Europe. The Little Englanders
opposed change and in particular change the way the Europeans were
doing. In the end, the loss was ours and we had to spend decades
catching up as best as we could.
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