There is absolutely no point in attempting to define on what terms
Brexit would be pursued. All that would happen is the EU would say No.
Article 50 is a one way street. Once entered there is no going back, no
Brexit means we leave the EU. Exactly what the future relationship is
depends on the stance taken by the EU negotiators as much as our own. If
the EU Commission is in charge they will happily cut of their noses to
spite their faces because they do not bear the consequences. They cannot
be voted out. If the member states are in charge we can expect a more
Either way we leave.
There is a lot of point in making it clear that the EU would be told
that Britain will not accept any of their demands with Britain out of
the EU and that Britain will stop paying the EU anything, right now.
That's a lie. Article 50 makes it very clear that the country that
is leaving is free to apply to join again if it decides to do that.
Not if Britain chooses to decline anything the EU wants.
And there is a real incentive to make it clear to any other country
which is considering leaving that they will be on their own.
They can actually. The EP can sack the lot of them, but
it has to sack them all so that isnt going to happen.
But it remains to be seen whether May will actually be
stupid enough to end up with almost all that Britain
gets to wear now and just be out of the EU in name only.
I don't expect that she will be that stupid, but
that isnt certain given that she is a remainer
and she may decide that there is no possibility
of Labour being the govt whatever she does.
I doubt it given that the only ones who would care would
be the leavers and they wouldn't be voting Labour or Lib-dem.
The most we might see is UKIP return from the dead
but it still wouldn't get enough MPs elected to matter.
IMO they would actually vote Tory if there had been rowing
back on BRexit, because there had been rowing back on BRexit.
Bert, the European parliament consists of directly elected MEPs
voted in by members of the public.
How come didn't you know that? I mean, that's how Nigel Farage
got in to the European Parliament. Did you think the EU
Commission or EU Council chose to appoint him? *shakes head*
Davies has been given a poisoned chalice. When he fails to
deliver, I expect he will be replaced with someone who is more in
line with Theresa May's thinking.
The Labour party's current japes will give the conservatives a
greater majority in any forthcoming general election, with the
result that the votes of Tory Brexiteers may no longer be required
to make a Tory majority.
And those MEPs are elected using the shitty *List* PR system - the
*party* candidate at the top of that list can never, in any practical
sense, be voted out.
What's more, if an MEP dies/resigns, the slot is filled by the next one
from the party list. No by-elections, y'see. After all, from the PoV of
Juncker and the rest of the EU top shitheads, it was bad enough having
to pretend to consult the people in the first place.
"Once you adopt the unix paradigm, the variants cease to be a problem - you
bitch, of course, but that's because bitching is fun, unlike M$ OS's, where
Article 50 does not say anywhere that a member state can not come
back later. That's why you're wrong when you said there is "no
You wrote elsewhere that the EU parliament is not elected by the
people. A school kid knows that not true.
All this propaganda could have come right out of Boris and Gove's
copybook. Have you been taking lessons?
There was a German chap who once took part in a fight for Europe
and he said if you tell a big lie often enough then people will
come to believe it. You're not related are you? :-)
is referring to the EP but not realising that our MEPs are subject
to almost exactly the same rules of recall as our MPs.
"in effect they can't be voted out - and unlike our
own MPs they cannot be voted out by the electorate"
Wake me up when he wakes up! :-)
("They" in the above is you referring to the Commission - Tim)
So in effect they can't be voted out - and unlike our own MPs they
cannot be voted out by the electorate.
("They" in the above is still Bert referring to the Commission - Tim)
It's quite clear. Bert refers twice in the above exchange to the fact
that EU Commissioners cannot be voted out by the electorate. The word
"they" in the above excerpt refers at all times to the Commission.
"It is hard to imagine a more stupid decision or more dangerous way of
making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people
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