OT: UKIP breaks ranks...

10:00 BST – UKIP Leader Paul Nuttall confirms the party will not suspend national campaigning.
In a press release released Sunday morning, Mr. Nuttall stated: “With more people murdered on the streets of our capital city last night by Islamist terrorists, it is more important than ever for us to confront this evil with the democratic principles that have made this country what it is.
“Our hearts go out to the family and friends of those who lost their lives last night. The courage and quick response of our emergency services have yet again saved countless lives and in the midst of such a tragedy, deserve our respect and admiration.
“It is time to start honouring our dead with more than just words. The only guarantee that will come from our choosing to stall the democratic process again will be more attacks; it is what these cowards want us to do.
“For those of us seeking to serve the people of this country, it is our duty to drive the dialogue on how best to confront and defeat this brand of terrorism. That is what UKIP will be doing today and beyond. Therefore, I refuse to suspend campaigning because this is precisely what the extremists would want us to do.”
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I wonder, is that really smart, or really dumb? Damn. All out of popcorn since 'Question Time'...
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On 04/06/2017 10:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

I suspect most parties stop campaigning because their publicity stunts (or whatever they are called) will be swamped by coverage of the attacks and hence wasted.
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On 04/06/17 10:39, Nick wrote:

See my earlier post. I can hear sky news in the other room, and Theresa May has turned a government statement into a massively Islamophobic (as the Left would call it if a UKIP politician had made it) statement of intention.
40-15 to Theresa I think.
Capture the mood of rising resentment, and ride it for a couple more points in the polls.
Whoever has a finger up her bottom wiggled it correctly this time with a well crafted bit of political propaganda that will go down well.
And its taken the wind out of Nuttall's sails.
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Meanwhile Corbyn and the London Mayor resort to petty political points scoring over police numbers.
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On 05/06/17 23:14, bert wrote:

Yeah. Torys back up in the polls and Labour down. Bit of a recovery for UKIP too.
Brexit economy old news. Brexit close our borders, new news.
Popcorn?
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On 04/06/17 10:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

am just larfing my tirts off.
Having absolutely said they wont campaign Therese May is making a long speech about what needs to be done, to preserve bristish values against Islam etc etc, by the (implied) tory government.
Once again Tories have stolen UKIPS stance and presented it as their own. In a speech that was pure campaign and pure political opportunism!
Utterly shameless!
Damn I need more popcorn!
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On 04-Jun-17 10:43 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: ...

The Official Monster Raving Looney Party say UKIP did the same with their immigration policy of one in one out.
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On 04/06/17 12:22, Nightjar wrote:

That is remarkably sensible for the monster raving loonies.
Except its never actually been a UKIP policy as far as I can recall.
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someone forgot to tell all of the campaigners they have been putting up for all the political discussions on TV then
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On 04-Jun-17 12:29 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Of course, the OMRLP were probably about as serious about it as they are about nationalising crime, to ensure that it doesn't pay.
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Or as Terry Pratchett suggested, a Thieves Guild. Then if you have crime, at least it's organised crime.
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On 04/06/2017 12:29, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

The MRLP has had many policies over the years that have actually become law.
Some years ago, I was having a few drinks and taking part in a quiz in a local pub just a few days before an election and the MRLP candidate happened to be there. We ended up chatting to him and found him to be very sensible and realistic.
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Steve Walker submitted this idea :

After a few drinks, anyone might seem sensible and realistic.
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On 05/06/2017 14:37, Harry Bloomfield wrote:

Agreed, but not many drinks on a workday night with an early start in the morning in this case :)
Some of their policies that became law (whether or not they were good policies):     24-hour licensing.     Lowering the voting age to 18.     Abolition of the dog licence.     Legalisation of commercial radio     Passports for pets     Abolition of the 11 plus (not completely)
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Actually if you were monitoring last night it all sounded like less than organised chaos to me. In any event, why should any party stop campaigning for an election? Still most of us have had enough of the bullshit from various parties and have turned off by now so let them do as they like.
One worrying thing was that more than one person said they looked like Muslims. How can one tell? I know many Muslims, and all sorts of other religions and most of the time they are indistinguishable from anyone else. What they probably mean is the fundamentalist types who usually grow beards and dress traditionally which can be a bit unfortunate if you happen to look like this by choice of course. its only a matter of time before somebody is killed by mistake if this stereotype continues. In this case Machetes and other give aways were a bit obvious. Brian
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The Natural Philosopher quoted:

And the DIY angle? Looks like the extremists used a B&Q hourly rental van ...
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On 04/06/17 11:15, Andy Burns wrote:

yup!
Thank god they don't read this NG.
Imagine if they had been armed with angle grinders!
Obviously never been on a speed awareness course.
"White van men in DIY road rage rampage"
Harrowing stories of a witness seeing people being stabbed. And throwing beer glasses...
But he sussed the fake bomb vests 'I culd see they was all just duct tape'
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Irrelevant IMO, UKIP is completely irrelevant now.
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On 04/06/17 21:10, Hankat wrote:

Only in name - they seem to have reinvented themselves quite dramatically.
I don't care if they're called "Build Noah's Ark Party" - if they have policies I agree with, I'll consider giving them my vote.
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On Sun, 04 Jun 2017 21:22:19 +0100, Tim Watts wrote:
[sensible remarks snipped] UKIP should come out immediately and decry the "carry on as normal" platitudes we get to hear every time something like this happens. If we all "carry on as normal" we *guarantee* nothing will improve. UKIP should encourage people to engage in a coordinated, indefinite boycott of all crowded places until such time as the threat from Islamist terror has been essentially neutralised. The prospect of empty shopping malls, sports stadiums, concert venues and pubs would have a remarkable effect on the ability of a government to suddenly come up with ideas that were previously thought of as unthinkable. There's nothing like cutting off the source of funds to big business to concentrate minds! ;->
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