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It was the Lib-Dems who scuppered the possibility of a referendum on the Lisbon treaty ironically because, they claimed, it would be turned into and in-out vote.
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Some years before that, wasn't Cleggy demanding an in-out vote? It's on some of his campaign literature.
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On Friday, 1 December 2017 15:13:54 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

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Who were these 'we'.
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We as in the UK via its elected government.
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On Tuesday, 5 December 2017 00:29:02 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

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So not us then. Or is it the same we that invader Iraq, the same we that put cladding on g renfell, the same we that alloed sexual abuse in childrens homes, yes WE ar e all responsible aren't WE.
Even Gernamy is started to admit it's errors but I'm not blaming the germa n people but the polititions they voted for.
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You don't even need to unsign one.
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On Sun, 03 Dec 2017 20:18:18 +0000, bert wrote:

We could easily break the EU by not paying them a single penny. Their fragile budget is on a knife-edge and just needs a little trigger to push it over the edge... The chance to destroy this cancer before it destroys Europe is an extremely tempting one. What a pity we don't have a leader with the balls to do it. :(
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and then who would we trade with?

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Those you trade with now, who have nowhere else to go for so much of what they currently trade like with aircraft engines, wings, the best scotch, docos etc.
Sure, the EU will likely impose a tariff on scotch imports to attempt to protect the Irish whisky production but that will be a trivial part of the price of the best scotch so those who want that will pay it anyway and its likely that the total price they pay will be lower due to the pound being lower anyway.

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The US. Trump isn't interested in getting the best deal for the US. He wants to make sure the UK does well. Unless I've made another mistake.
Then there's India. Simply replace free movement of EU workers to those from India, to get a deal. A perfect solution.

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Usual ignorant drivel.

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You need to get your news from somewhere other than the Express. An Indian government spokesman said that would be the basis of any trade agreement on TV.
But best if you continue in blissful ignorance. Facts have never been relevant to Brexiteers.
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Totally irrelevant to the point of the discussion which you have snipped out to distract from the debate. Typical remoaner trick.

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Same people in Europe we trade with now, Germans, French, Poles Spanish Italians etc etc even the Belgians

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On 04/12/2017 23:04, bert wrote:

But will they still buy our stuff when it goes up in price or will they source it from elsewhere?
You can check with the WTO what tariffs would apply to out exports to the EU to see how much they would go up (or how much less profit we would make if we absorbed the tariffs). I don't expect you to actually look though as facts aren't your thing.
Its all very well saying we will continue to trade with X and Y but they have to want to buy the stuff at a price we can afford to sell it for. You wouldn't go and buy your stuff at F&M and pay more than Harrod's for the same stuff so why would anyone else?
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It wont necessarily go up in price with the pound going down a bit.

Most of it they cant, like with aircraft engines, wings, docos, the best scotch and financial services etc etc etc.

The WTO doesn’t set any tariffs that the EU applys.

Another bare faced lie when the pound has fallen by more than the tariff.

You clowns in spades.

Duh. But when the pound has fallen a bit, that means that what they pay will actually go down, you silly little pathological lying remoaner.

They wont be paying more, fuckwit.
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And remember that free and easy movement of goods within the EU is very important to car makers etc who source their parts from all over.
'Taking back control' of our borders is bound to make this process more cumbersome.
Dyson threw a hissy fit and moved production to the far east when he couldn't get his own way over planning for a new UK factory. If there are any new obstacles to moving goods between the UK and EU after Brexit, chances are other manufactures won't put up with it. Quite understandable - why would they put up with hassle if there are alternatives?
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AS usual a group of unconnected irrelevant bits and pieces.
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Interesting. It really does seem like most of the fanatical Brexiteers have some real issues.
They have difficulty making sense of 'fuzzy' information.
They believe they are right and the other 50+% of the population are wrong.
They latch onto one of more bits of information they consider to be 'fact' and will defend them against all the odds and rational logic.
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Bert is a rather typical Brexiteer in wanting to ignore any real issues on the hopes they will simply go away. The optimism of a fool. But glows on talk of esoteric things like 'sovereignty'.
Sadly, the world doesn't run on airy fairy principles.
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