OT Nuclear power

[harry]

One to wind TurNiP up.

Old but still relevent.

[Tim Streater]

No, old and irrelevant. Each one of these "points" is comprehensively demolished each time it's put forward. But you're too dim to notice.

[The Natural Philosopher]

Exactly so. 17% of the worlds electricity, and the lowest death rate of any power generation industry overall.

The facts speak for themselves.

[F]

harry-the-troll is back.

[Nightjar]

Colin Bignell

[Gazz]

Bit like harry then.

but harry is a born again green arse, their 'bible' dosent recognize the word 'fact'

[Steve Firth]

First claimed point "Nuclear is too expensive"

That's an easy one to test:

Electricity prices

Italy - Electricity domestic average 22p/kWh UK - Electricity domestic average 15.5p/kWh France - Electricity domestic average 14p/kWH

Nuclear Generation

Italy 0 TWH/pa UK 62.1 TWH/pa France 387.8 TWH/pa

Gosh yes, nuclear has really pushed electricity prices up in France, not.

So the first claim is a lie, that tends to indicate that it's not worth reading the rest of the shit.

[Nightjar]

As I have commented before, if Harry believes it, it is probably wrong, irrespective of what 'it' is.

Colin Bignell

[harry]

Tch Much of the French nuclear plant is due for replacemant. The we'll see the true cost.

Taxpayer subsidised, in debt, in danger of default.

cs

[Bob Eager]

Pot. Kettle. Black.

[The Natural Philosopher]

France shows that a 80% nuclear wont break the bank. Finland reckons its the cheapest alterntaive bar none.

Areva reactors are overpriced at the moment, but they are not the only game in town.

But even at worst case prices the Areva reactor still knocks wind/solar+ backup into the tall grass. Cheapest generation is coal.,Cheapest zero carbon is nuclear. Take your pick.

Renewable is neither cheap nor low carbon. Its total pants.

[Steve Firth]

Unlike domestic solar and windpower eh. Harold? Oh no, you're telling pork pies, again, "renewables" are subsidised to the hilt and are the most expensive form of electricity, ever. If you want to end up paying

50p/unit for electricity vote for "renewables".

As ever links posted without comment, presumably to try to give the impression that there is a nuclear safety and an economic problem with nuclear. Using the source that it is created and edited by morons.

The first link says nothing bad about the economics of nuclear power in France, so quite what you think is damning about it is a mystery.

The second link tries to cast FUD on nuclear but the truth is that French nuclear incidents are notable by their absence. The ASN is simply being hyper-cautious.

You might want to address the fact that coal fired power stations have emitted more radioactive material than all of the nuclear power stations in the world and all of the A-bomb tests in the world combined. But I bet you won't.

I also bet you won't dare to comment on how much fossil fuel is used to create photovoltaic panels.

In further confirmation that the so-called greens are lying shitbags the "Alexis Rowell" article that you linked to was published in the self-interest magazine that he edits, yet it is described as a "guest publication". A bit of honesty would have helped, don't you think[1].

[1] Yes you don't.

[tim......]

a-mistake-even-before-fukushima-an-open-letter-to-chris-huhne-from-alexi

But that's completely irrelevant to the argument posit that the "French" nuclear price is, or in this case isn't, the achievable price in an unsubsidised world

tim

[The Natural Philosopher]

government calculated cost price of nuclear was 6-8p a unit.

IF you don't shut it down tax it out of existence, make owners sign in blood on massive insurance policies designed to rebuild the country from scratch if someone drops a fuel rod and decomission to a level where its less radioactive than the inside of an empty lead box after you have finished etc etc.

ALL of which have been proposed by the Liberal 'democrats'.

[harry]

The link says the French nuclear is subsidised to the hilt and in danger of going bust without further cash from the French taxpayer. Also much plant is old and in need of renewal. Then we'll see the true cost. Let them privatise it so it has to stand alone. EDF is haggling for government subsidies in this country re the Hinckley point project

The current price paid for FIT electricity is £0.1544/Kwh and falling.

New nuclear power is expected to double present electricity costs.

So spouting your usual drivel

[harry]

All reasonable concerns that could cost the taxpayer.

And still the nuclear waste problem is unsolved.

[The Natural Philosopher]

sigh. No the problem of nuclera waste isn't solved because it's difficult to make irrational people understand things: you being a prime example. There is of course no PHYSICAL problem with nuclear waste.

Its a bit like the Devil. No matter how much you say 'I dont actually see him anywhere' someone will claim that he comes in and posseses them on a daily basis...

We haven't solved the problem of the mentally challenged.

Probaly the best thing to do is sit all teh harrys of the world in a big holiday camp bbu8ilt on top of a radioactive waste dump,. equipped with geiger counters and tell them they are 'health meters' . And the higher they are the more bacteria they are getting rid opf.

They would believe it. They believe anything.

[Andy Burns]

Red-hot fusion is going to save the planet!

[Terry Fields]

And do the same to the renewables programmes.

[Steve Firth]

Those bastards who snip all context, eh tim?