OT Newer technology not as good as old -new-technology! <rant'ish>

Andy Champ coughed up some electrons that declared:

They could junk the utter pointless crap like those stupid shopping channels and allocate only 4 TV channels to a multiplex throughout - that would help.

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Tim S
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I don't mind waiting for a channel change, but my SKY+ box frequently gives no response at all to the remote and then suddenly catches up on the last few button presses. So for example, I press TV Guide and then 4 to check what's on the movie channels, but the guide only goes as far as the front page; I press 4 again, thinking I missed it before (our remote does have dodgy keys and doesn't always work), again nothing happens; I press again, then a few seconds later it switches to the movies page and fills in two of the three digits of the channel selection as 44!

SteveW

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Steve Walker

I have four from Sandy, four from Oxford, a couple of Channel Fives from God knows where, the output from the Sky box, the output from my good old Tivo box, so that's 12 analogue 'channels' circulating round the house ...

Arfa

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Arfa Daily

A Real World Woodwork show would be a good one - either, as you say, its a luxury workshop which most don't have, or the opposite which is a guy with a hammer & nails using techniques from 30 years ago.

A woodwork show for people who have a drill/driver, a sander & a router - just basic stuff - would be a winner.

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The Medway Handyman

We have 6 here (Manchester) - BBC1 & 2, ITV1, C4, C5, Channel M. With two Sky boxes piping signals around the house on channels 7 and 8, plus a good old fashioned video for the odd thing, we're already up to nine. If we'd wanted to pipe anything else around (such as the camera we use to check the kids are not up to mischief when they should be sleeping or a media PC), we'd have added those with modulators and, the extras would have been useful.

Of course we are set to lose the analogue channels in a few mnonths, so we'll have a lot of spares!

SteveW

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Steve Walker

I know it sounds easy - but it's not. As regards being a winner - research shows it would have limited appeal. I talked it over with a producer some time ago. You'd need a fair bit of research to get enough material to fill a series - and that would likely mean a team since it's unlikely to find one person with the necessary skills. And finding that craftsman with a good TV personality isn't easy - otherwise there'd be loads of Fred Dibnah copies. The producer I talked to an independant making stuff mainly for CH4. The BBC would perhaps be a better bet since they can afford a gamble over a couple of series unlike commercial TV.

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Dave Plowman (News)

I cant see how this applies to what I suggested though, which doesnt transmit any more data or degrade picture any. The only difference to the user is that when anew channel is selected, a reduced resolution picture appears very quickly, followed in the same time frame as now by a return to full resolution. Bear in mind that reduced resolution for an average of a second isnt objectionable to the eye, and is far better than a blank screen for that time.

NT

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NT

Analogue does degrade nice and softly. Digits just break up into a horrible jerky, splatty, mess.

As for terrestial digital television it's crap, crawling with artifacts and unable to cope with moving images which is a bit piss poor for television which comprises moving images. Even still captions are crapped all over.

And this is on a Sony set which it's signal strength/quality meter thing was end stop or as near as damn it and on the mainstream channels.

DSAT has far fewer artifacts and is more or less watchable most of the time at least on the mainstream channels. The lesser ones still suffer blocking and loss of detail on movement but not as bad as DTTV mainstream channels.

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Dave Liquorice

Not quite sure what you mean about the last part, Dave?

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Dave Plowman (News)

NT coughed up some electrons that declared:

A bit like the old progressive GIFs or whatever they were called. On a

50-thingy kbit/sec modem you could see if the pr0n was worth continuing the download. Allegedly *cough*...
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Tim S

Dave Liquorice coughed up some electrons that declared:

To think how fussy the BBC used to be about transmission quality. No one gives a stuff now.

Reply to
Tim S

Except that they don't gamble any more and UK TV is all the worse for it.

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Mark

Well maybe the caption itself won't be crapped on but if you take a nice sharp caption, white text on a darker background and stuff it through DTTV the dark areas near the caption will gain be all manner of jpeg type "noise" making the nice sharp as originated caption soft and fuzzy. In bad cases small text readable before the transmission chain become unreadable at the receiver. Have the text move and well it just degenerates into a moving splodge that might be letter/numbers but what they are is anyones guess.

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Dave Liquorice

piss

The signal going into the transmission chain is, generally, still of a very high qiality and not just the BBC. It's the Tx chain that is messing it up, principly on the grounds of "choice". What's the point of 50 channels of unwatchable crap (technical and content)? Where is my "choice" for 10 channels of watchable (technical) and hopefully watchable (content)?

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Dave Liquorice

Indeed. I'm not defending the lack of such progs - only explaining it as the suits see it.

And can understand the reasons. A prime example is Top Gear. When it dealt with cars in a 'sensible' way it got tiny audiences. Turn it into entertainment and it's one of the most popular progs of its type in the world.

I'd love to see a prog which dealt with DIY issues and showed craftsmen at work - and would watch it religiously. The only one which comes close is some episodes of Grand Designs. Which I can watch over and over again. Just as well given the number of repeats.

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Dave Plowman (News)

I've not noticed that. Generally, the better definition of DTTV and the lack of PAL artifacts make things like captions clearer.

Depends. I was watching something the other day where the 'roller' was near unreadable. But half way through came good. I wondered if it was down to 'filmic' processing being removed at the wrong place.

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Dave Plowman (News)

I was round at a friends the other day and noticed him watching "shed tv" on sky. A look at the schedule suggests that it contains some of what you describe (with a fair bit of fishing at other times!)

There was a "how to" building prog with Tommy Walsh, and then another maintenance one showing how to repair windows in wooden frames.

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John Rumm

Personally I'd like to see a BBC programme like the old Top Gear. There is only so many pointless races than JC can dream up.

I found one single episode of Grand Designs watchable. I was fed up with seeing projects going overbudget and the owners moaning about running out of money and then magically getting the cash to finish them. This is probably just sour grapes because I ran out of money for my not-so-grand-design and cannot finish it now.

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Mark

I couldn't agree more. Except I would think ten channels would be too many to get good content.

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Mark

I am not so sure.

I watch a lot of TV on this machine, close up, and old episodes of e.g. Poirot/Morse etc are nowhere near as good picture wise as what is coming out of the beeb currently.

I think the existing digital bandwidth is not being used fully at all.

Its very noteworthy on live sports broadcasts..they seem to be compressing that PRE transmission, more than is necessary.

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The Natural Philosopher

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