Interest in stuff has no bearing on their ability to learn.
The problem with adams apprentii is that that either are thick and/or
the teaching is lacking.
From past experience I know many kids appear to be thick and unable or
unwilling to learn. These are the ones that end up on government funded
training so if adams are those the results are as expected.
Q. Does the teaching always need always be about electrics?
There is no point IMHO in having a highly talented electrical apprentice if
he cannot behave in an appropriate manner in a clients
house/office/school/shop/hospital/place of worship - or anywhere else I
might work .
So the first lesson is one about real life and manners and not electrics.
 Maybe not the morgue or a slaughterhouse in their first week.
"Fresh meat" means they are on a two week trial. They are not apprentices.
If found guilty at the end of their trial then they get 4 years hard labour
along with all their courses paid for, proper training (not just electrics)
and a chance in less than 2 years to be earning more than their mates, who
when leaving school took of to the the ASDA distribuition center to stock
A typical apprentice starting his 3rd year will usually be on £5.50 per hour
depending on their ability.
OK, but it should be easier to detect that last
much quicker than with a two week trial and
wasting that much of your time.
Corse I spose it can be seen as providing you with a bit
of sport and light entertainment too and stopping you
from going out on your own and not being able to
afford to have a bit of sport like that so often. Sort of
a fringe benefit that they don't have to pay tax on etc.
> A typical apprentice starting his 3rd year will usually
Sure, wasn't arguing about that bit, just wondering
why the operation you work for wasn't a bit more
selective about who they have for the 2 weeks trial.
That one looks like he is a complete waste of time
and money, tho I spose there might be a few who
are that superficially useless who might be found
to be quite educable and I guess it also depends on
what the rest of the potential candidates were like too.
On Monday, 7 September 2015 22:25:39 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
Well here at uni people get 1 month Lecturing staff 3-6 months or a term 't
rial' although it's called something else, probationary period, you've got
to use longer words here to make it sound more important an impressive than
lesser places %-).
I guess in some jobs 5 mins is all you need to suss out an employees unsefu
lness, but sometimes it may take a little longer. One might be really good
at bricklaying but hopless at threading wires and connecting.
So getting to know their individual skills and developing them is usually a
good idea and worth doing but you might not find this on miniute one or da
y one or even week one.
Isn;t that reffered to as a perk of the job, some recieve millions in extra
pay or share options, some get sex.
plenty of people have that polititions get extra houses.
An interesting question, but it depends where they get them from if it's th
e job centre and the like A4E you can guarantee they'll send you someone th
at has no interest in the job(s). This way they can keep claiming they are
fionding people jobs, the mmore people leave those jobs the more they have
to fill so it looks as though they are doing a good job of placements.
Sure, but its harder to work out whether those are useful than it is to work
whether a potential apprentice knows more about eclectics than his cat does.
Plenty of lesser places call it that now.
And trivially easy to see if a particular individual
knows more about electrics than his cat does.
And only a little harder to check if they will do what they are told.
But doesn't take 2 weeks with a candidate apprentice.
Its unlikely that you'd care about the bricklaying
capability of a candidate electrical apprentice.
Yes, but with a potential electrical apprentice,
it makes sense to not bother with those who
know less about electrics than a cat does
unless you are desperate for apprentices.
Certainly worth having a 2 week trial, but
better to not bother with those who know
less about electrics than a cat does.
Yes, that's what I meant.
And Adam gets to rev up apprentices, and the operation
he works for doesn't even have to pay tax on that.
Sure, but you are clearly free to work out who those
are and tell them to fuck off when they show up rather
than wasting your time giving them a 2 week trial.
Adam clearly said that some were essentially
told to fuck off when they applied.
On Tuesday, 8 September 2015 12:15:24 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
I'm not sure that's true.
When a lectures job is advertised it's very specific in what's reqired to d
o the job, and we wouldn;t employ someone without the relivant qaulificatio
And it goes even further pages of things to look for in the applicant.
Here's an example.
Applicants should have a PhD or equivalent professional experience and have
a strong background through achievement in Electronic Engineering or Compu
Without the neccessary qualifications they wouldn't even get an interview.
If you have to get people from teh job cnetre or those govenrment shemes
you should count yourself lucky to get someone with a pluse, can walk and t
alk and think without the aid of a mobile. But don't expect all those crite
rai to be met.
See we are good educators :)
Well you'd have to know bot only him but his cat too.
So why does it take longer with higher end staff.
For a politician it takes 4-5 years.
On things like the X-factor or BGT then it takes les than a minute to work
Then only employ an electrical apprentice.
There's a whole program with apprentices, but most people
can work out that not all apprentices are teh same or have the same intere
and work skills.
Here we call these sorts of people trainees rather than apprentices.
I see it as pretty much the same thing but perhaps there are subtle differe
Why would I call someone that knows less than a cat about electrical things
an electrical apprentice.
I know lots of people like that they are called namagers.
Ah good so there's nothing wroing with perks then is there ;-)
Well educational is vat exempt, althouth we when I order HAVE to pay VAT.
The admin claims it back and keeps it.
pretty poor pay after 3 years.
Our scales start at scale 1 at £9.20 an hour as a starting point.
Even the cleaners and maintance people can start at that point even those t
ermed unskilled. avaible for these roles Technical, Operational, Profession
scale 53 is the highest at £35 per hour but that's not availbe to Techni
cal staff, you'll probbaly need a Phd and 15 years experience and have writ
ten a book or two and had work published in some journals.
I assume if you get someone from the job centre and are told to employ them
for a time that's what you have to do.
told to fuck off by who is the important point.
A4E will tell a companpany to employ someone for X amount of time usually
in weeks not miniutes, for that A4E get paid a fortune about £3k per job,
they couldn;t care less who they send for which job it's money ion their p
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