Indeed ... (although one has in these days to widen the interpretation
of the word "broadcaster" to include the web, i.e., news.bbc.co.uk).
All the major news agencies (Reuters, AP, etc.) have an interest in
gathering as much news from as many different perspectives as
julian (at) bellevue-barn (dot) org (dot) uk
He never was.
And now the whole world knows it. Hutton has damned him with faint praise.
He is the laughing stock of the world.
Now even that bitch Condoleeza Rice, is starting to run with the
hares...the cracks are appering in the Bush adminsitration, but they are
being very careful not to impugn the integrity of the President, its all
carefully worded 'intelligence failures' and so on...but if they get to
dig deeper, they will find, as we have, the failure was not with the
intelligence, but with those who chose to selectively adjust its meaning
so suit a course of action they were already embarked upon....
Right, let's get some perspective on this. I have put up a letter from a
friend who is also something of an expert in the field addressed to his
MP. It was written a couple of weeks before the invasion of Iraq.
I suggest that everyone arguing in this thread should read it, including
IMM (if you have any problems with the big words, I'm sure there are
people who can help you out)
Although not really diy related, it can be found at:
You really haven't taken in the previous discussion, have you
He gassed some of his own people and invaded Iran (while being supported
by the UK and the USA)
He had tried to build up chemical and biological weapons, but these had
mainly been destroyed by the weapons inspectors or degraded years ago.
His attempts at building up a nuclear program were bombed and rendered
IMM, when even George Bush is questioning the existence of WMD
(Elections are coming up, of course), it's only blind fools like you who
repeat ssuch idiotic mantras
Weapons of Mass Destruction. It is openly used by Blair and Bush etc. I
prefer Weapons of Mass Destruction.
Well Kelly said they can do it in days. We gave them six months notice of
inspection, so they hid/got rid of things. They still had the know-how
which is the main point, not the hardware.
It is not me saying that. I only repeat what experts say. Kelly was an
expert who had been to Iraq over 40 times. Bush has distanced himself from
the intelligence people for political reasons, who furnished him, and the
British, with the findings. He is letting them take a fall. There is no
need for him to do that as the Iraqies had the potential to have WMD within
The point is that they had the potential to ramp up WMD within days. Kelly
said so. It is very simple.
So where are they?
A great many "experts " were convinced that they existed, Now most of
them are doing an abrupt about turn
But the whole country is available to inspect and they have been
searching hard since they invaded
45 minutes you moron - that's what the man said. That was the basis for
going to war
"They still have the know-how, which is the main point, not the
hardware" ... in case you've totally lost the plot, it's what you said a
few lines above. Do you have the faintest idea how long it takes to turn
know-how without the hardware into a real WMD - be it bio, chem, or
nuclear. Obviously not since you said "The point is that they had the
potential to ramp up WMD within days"
your maths just doesn't add up
Are you really so stupid. They have the know-how to do it very quickly,
that was certain.
Kelly said differently.
So they got rid before the invasion. or hid them in the desert. Ever been
to a desert?
It was not. read my other post of this. Thicko moron. You lack simple
Kelly said "days". YES DAYS!!!!!!! He said week then days, which mean less
than 7. Are you that thick!
They DID have them, that is for certain. They used them, that is for
certain. They could deploy them within days, that's is for certain.
Where are they? Who knows. They did have them and could deploy them within
days. Then there is point of supporting terrorist groups. Maybe you would
think differently of a plane or two smashed into bocks in London.
What, build chem, bio or nuclear WMD from scratch?
I don't think so
I have actually, several.
You can't for example, just hide biological weapons in the sand, they
There is no evidence that he had any fissile material for nuclear
Tomorrow, I hope to be able to refute the existence of bio, chem and
I'm not interested in your other posts, the time stated by Bliar was 45
minutes, it's on record for all to see
Again, I'm talking about what Bliar said - it was his justification for
going to war
He had some nerve gas which he had the capabilities to deliver over
short distances. He did not have the delivery systems to do what Bliar
At the time of these gas attacks, we and the US were supporting him
Al qaeda and Saddam were not bedfellows. There is no evidence to suggest
that Iraq have attempted to export or train terrorists.
I think you are referring to Saudis there
You seem to have swallowed hook line and sinker, the story put about as
an excuse to invade Iraq. You don't seem able to separate the WTC
attacks from Saddam Hussein
just come up on the TV - "How Bush and Bliar got it wrong" Saturday Ch4
at 7pm. Watch it, you might learn something
Yes, his own people, and those counties that neighbour Iraq, not that he did
a lot of that after he got kicked out of Kuwait.
I Bush and Blair had stated those facts as the reason why he (Saddam) should
be over thrown they just might have got backing, but they chose to use the
WMD's issue (and the immediate threat they posed to counties as far away as
Cyprus) - the fact that now they can't produce those WMDs, not even short
range battle field weapons, is now starting to catch up with them.
And the government said 45 minutes, which for the intolerably challenged
like you 'IMM' is lest than one hour (one 24th of a day), so even if the
experts were correct in their opinion that Iraq could launch WMD's in days
it means that what the government were wrong when they stated that Iraq
could deploy and launch WMDs in 45 minutes.
Even if we accept what you say, but not the HMG stated 45 minutes...
And again, even if we accept what you say, but not in the stated 45
And you should read back over this thread were many people have tried to
explain that you are wrong and that the time quoted by HMG for deployment
and firing of the WMDs was 45 minutes. It doesn't matter how many times you
say otherwise the FACTS are contained in the original HMG document.
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