IKEA Disappointment (Rant)

On Monday, 20 February 2017 13:50:35 UTC, whisky-dave wrote:

of course. But you can't always sack the ones that fall short.
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On Tuesday, 21 February 2017 16:14:12 UTC, snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote:

Fall short of what exactly ?. My students ask me why the product they ordered with free UK delivery hasn't arrived in a couple of days, I have to point out that they have ordered it from china most likely. A 'prime' example can you order this so I can have it before the weekend.
(Amazon.com product link shortened)87694037&sr=8-2&keywords=OV2640
I said if he can find it in stock from a UK supplier then perhaps.
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Yup. It should be much easier to sack poor managers.
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On Tuesday, 21 February 2017 17:08:01 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

It's easier to promote them.
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Very true. ;-)
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The Peter Principle, I believe.
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On 22/02/17 11:30, charles wrote:

Incompetence varies as the square of job security.
That's the basic equation of socialism.
As typified by the EU, which has never sacked anyone
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On 22/02/2017 11:30, charles wrote:

AIUI that states that if you can do your job you get promoted. This keeps happening until you are in a level where you can't.
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"You get promoted to your level of incompetance" is the way I read it.
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On Thu, 23 Feb 2017 22:08:48 +0000, charles wrote:

IIRC it's slightly more subtle that that. "In a hierarchical organisation, people tend to be promoted *beyond* their level of competence. Any useful work in the organisation is done by people who are still competent in their positions."
I read the book at Uni - first year. Not because anyone recommended it, it was in the library (original 1960s edition) unread for years. I can honest class it as a life changing book, as it is 100% accurate in observation, analysis, and conclusion.
The problem - very real - is that people don't realise they are incompetent until it's too late.
There is a solution to the problem, though. It'll never happen though.
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On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 09:37:18 +0000, Jethro_uk wrote:

Exactly. I first heard about it in Cyril Northcote Parkinson's book, "Parkinson's Law". I found that *very* interesting, and still have the copy I bought decades ago. Lots of useful advice on running committees, etc.
I got even more useful advice when Parkinson retired to Canterbury and I goit to know him at various dinners!
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Or sometimes not at all. See "the Dunning-Kruger Effect".
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If say working in a department, many genuinely think they could do the next job up well. But only find they can't when actually given it. Decent management would provide training attachments where it could be seen if they are capable of progressing. But this is far more difficult to do for the very senior positions or position.
But of course why spend money on training when you can simply get someone from elsewhere?
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On 27/02/2017 11:04, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

It's a well known principle that people are progressively promoted until they reach their first level of incompetence. This means that most people are in jobs they can't do!
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wrote:

The problem with that mindlessly superficial line is that there are fuck all managerial jobs compare with the average wage slave.

Even sillier than you usually manage. Its only the most stupid that cant do the most basic jobs in a supermarket or factory or retail operation or anything else. You don't even have to be able to make change anymore, the machine tells you.
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But MUCH harder to know what you are getting when you do it that way.
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On 22/02/2017 11:30, charles wrote:

Promoting people is also a way to get them moved out of the way to a different office, if the company has a rule that people can't be promoted on site.
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Why would a company have a rule that said that people can't be promoted on site?
That seems to be the ultimate in creating dissatisfied employees for usually, no benefit.
I can see that it might makes sense in an environment where it is absolutely necessary for subordinates to "follow order" such as the Police/Fire service (but there you would almost never promote someone who wasn't qualified to be promoted, just to get them out of the way)
but beyond that, it's an absolutely nonsensical corporate policy
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On Friday, 24 February 2017 10:39:55 UTC, tim... wrote:

and yet one hears of it at times, like so many other nonsensical corporate happenings. I always wonder if it's the real reason or just an excuse.
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The place I worked until recently had a "No promotions in place" rule. They also had an enforced bell curve on annual reviews, so if you had a team of 4 people, one of them had to be ranked "Unsatisfactory", even if they were all brilliant.
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