Coronavirus - will it spread throughout the UK anyway?

Is it practical to stop the spread of coronavirus in the uk rather than just slow the spread down?
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On 26/02/2020 11:38, Michael Chare wrote:

Probably not, but if we can just slow it down enough that it doesn't get a grip during winter then we will have more time to develop a vaccine. Dry spring sunshine kills flu and similar viruses on surfaces.
Bit tough on Australia and South America though if it goes pandemic they will be going into winter with the infection already raging elsewhere.
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On 26/02/2020 12:00, Martin Brown wrote:

Even tougher on the Japanese. This has come just in time to feck up the 2020 Olympics.
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On Wednesday, 26 February 2020 15:36:40 UTC, Andrew wrote:

A Korean friend says the Japanese are drastically under-reporting cases and under-screening the population because of this.
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How would he know that ?

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They could just screen the footage from last time. No one would be able to tell the difference.
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On 26/02/2020 17:10, Tim Streater wrote:

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On 26/02/2020 17:10, Tim Streater wrote:

WHS!
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On 26/02/2020 11:38, Michael Chare wrote:

You could nuke London
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Yes well that seems rather counter productive! Brian
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On 26/02/2020 12:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

No-one would have predicted that Northern Italy, the expensive part would have an outbreak, before other countries though.
Since China has such an economic grip on Africa, I'm surprised that we haven't had any outbreaks there (yet).
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Those who realise that it has a high level of tourist traffic in winter with the ski fields would have,

That may just be because their medical systems are too primitive to have even noticed it yet and the infected chinese returning from chinese new year in china have kept quiet about what they have done for obvious reasons.
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On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 11:38:54 +0000, Michael Chare

It will almost certainly spread, but to what degree remains to be seen. But a lot of people in the UK die from 'ordinary' flu (if there is such a thing) each year, mainly in the winter, and as the symptoms of corona virus seem to be no worse that 'ordinary' flu, I can't see it being any worse that what normally happens.
See also https://vk.ovg.ox.ac.uk/vk/influenza-flu
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Influenza mortality: 0.05% COVID-19 mortality: 2% https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-does-the-new-coronavirus-compare-with-the-flu/
If that continues (and the 2% number seems to be holding steady), it's substantially 'worse than what normally happens'.
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Yes, but we have had a lot longer to deal with flu, and in any case not every flu is as violent, as say the last pandemic I remember, Asian Flu. That kept me off work for over 6 weeks mainly because I got pneumonia afterwards due to the compromised and weakened state it leaves you in. Brian
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On 26/02/2020 13:14, Theo wrote:

Indeed. I saw a report that showed how viruses with high mortality rates simply kill people too fast. The ideal (from the virus' POV )is long incubation and about 2% mortality...
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On 26/02/2020 15:40, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

ANd come back about 2 years later in a more virulant strain to knock off the 'just survivors', as happened in 1919? when the WW1 flu became the 'Spanish flu'.
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From a viruse's point of view it would be preferable if no hosts died at all. Death is simply an unintended side effect, often the result of entirely speparate existing conditions.
In terms of incubation periods its clearly preferable for hosts to move around for as long as possible before developing symptoms so as to pass the virus on to other hosts.
In both of thse cases the virus in question is asscociated with health problems which can cause death or temporary incapacity. However its often only because a particular virus is associated with health problems that its been identified as such in the first place.
I can't remember the specific details but humans as with all mammals birds fish etc are hosts to millions of micro-organisms 99.95 of which are either benign or beneficial and most of which are fairly short lived.. I can't reemeber whether viruses are numbered among these.
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On 28/02/20 09:02, michael adams wrote:

The only viruses I can think of which would definitely be of use to humans would be bacteriophages. There has been some success in clinical trials.
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On 28/02/2020 19:04, Jeff Layman wrote:

Viruses are used in some gene therapies to stick DNA into cells/chromosomes. I'm not aware of any groups on how to DIY but starting one might offer a quick way to make new friends in Millbank.
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