Hi, We've got an under-worktop Bosch double oven in our kitchen and we're finding it very difficult to keep our 16 month old son out of it. I've seen some on the internet which seem to just stick on but usually get poor reviews as they lose their grip when the oven warms up. Any suggestions appreciated?
On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 03:41:11 -0700, snipped-for-privacy@hotmail.com mused:
Whack him round the back of the head every time he goes near it. Costs nothing and is very effective.
A) Tell it not to. FFS, if you can't tell it not to do something now what hope have you got for the future?
B) Keep it out of the kitchen.
C) Put its hand on the oven door and yell "IT'S HOT!!". Whether it is or not is up to you.
Si
We put a gate on the kitchen. Too many other dangers (sharp knives, pots of water, etc..)
Not forgetting bleach and other nasties under the sink ( or wherever you keep them ) .
Let him get inside once.
He won't try again.
I was goiung to say that, then reasoned that there can be a CP lock on those. However, on further reflection, our younger one opened one of those on the first attempt..
That's my approach - education. You cannot keep sprogs/people "safe" forever (despite what TB Liar would like you to think), so best educate them early. I have a 3.5 and 1.5 year old...
Wrong approach IMHO.
Nothing like experience...
I taught my daughter the dangers of electricity by playing her a movie of a
1/2MV arc that happened on outdoor switchgear in Boulder, US. Very big arc (about the width and height of a small house) and *very* noisy. It stopped her trying to shove my car keys in the mains sockets, which was becoming a problem at the time. However, she does understand that "little electricity" is OK and happily plays with LEDs and a 9V battery, and one of those "Adams Electronics" sets with the big pluggable components (we're upto the lightbulb and switch stage :)I also taught her the danger of fire by lighting a sheet of kitchen roll held vertically until it nearly burnt my hand. Then showed her how the handy bowl of water saves the day. May save my curtains (and thus house) oneday hopefully :)
The latter was a bit impromptu - I'd been showing her how a lit candle depletes oxygen in a sealed jar until the flame dies (which itself came from a question: Daddy, why do we need to breath?). After a successful few demos, it occurred to me that I may have inadvertently trained her to be a pyromaniac, and you cannot hide the matches forever...
Now I no longer worry about her killing herself with either medium. We still have socket guards, but she knows not to fiddle with them anyway.
My son is too young for any of this, but his day will come.
Cheers
Tim
Same age as the one in question, so your post is a bit of a contradiction.
Yeah, but sometimes there is trade off between telling them enough times until they won't do something and just having a quiet life. Though IME a 16 monther will soon be bored with this game and move onto something else.
A piece of board held in place temporarily ?
OK when your not in there, but we spend a lot of time in the kitchen (it's used for eating, painting, writing, experiments etc.). anyway I much prefer them to learn about the dangers of things, much easier if they are around them.
Aversion does work well. DD1 learnt not to put her hands on radiators once she was cruising around the furniture had put her hand on one (it was hot enough to be uncomfortable, but not really to hurt).
She also had an early experience with the output socket from a wallwart PSU, which had come out of it's device and was on the floor. She didn't like it at all when she put it in her mouth. I tried it, quite an uncomfortable tingle to the tongue.
Heh - sorry, didn't notice that bit. My bad.
Probably, but it is an option for the clueless until either the sprog is a bit older and able to understand danger itself, or the parents realise that
*they* are actually supposed to be taking some sort of control.Speaking of which, the mothers I hear in supermarkets demanding that their
2-3 year-old children tell them what they want for dinner that day... drive me insane, they do, getting hugely stressed because the child keeps saying 'no' to every whining, pleading suggestion.Humans, even very small ones, are perfectly capable of learning to/not to do things if taught; but that learning ability also includes defeating devices invented to stop them doing fun things like putting toast in the video or shutting their precious digits in a cupboard door so they're pretty pointless anyway. Education is much better than prevention but few seem to have the... well, I'll say 'time', to do it.
Si
There's a lockable cage available in the mfi catalogue.
A child safety gate to keep them out of the kitchen is what's needed.
How does the OP deal with them touching dangerous things not in the kitchen?
Yup, that sums it up perfectly. Perhaps the govt. will pass a law forcing parents to be nice to their children?
Si
And the late Bernard Manning stuck a photo of his mother in law on the oven.
Adam
As you say...
I thought they already had?
If it's not hot the child won't associate "hot" with "hurt!"
Owain
Preheated to gas 9 it is then ;)
Si
Wind it up to a low temp, and let him find out his self
Dave
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