Pussy Riot was arrested for making a loud and noisy spectacle in a
church that offended the sensibilities of most of the church goers in
attendance. Pussy Riot called that a "prayer" if I recall correctly,
but most of the people in the church called it an obscenity.
Unfortunately, Russia never had a law against offending the
sensibilities of an entire church full of people, so they got charged
with hooliganism instead. I think the Russian courts simply wanted to
let Pussy Riot know when enough was enough.
And, I'm not sure I'd call China a "communist" country anymore. They
were communist for a long time, but now they seem to be just as
capitalistic as their arch enemy; Taiwan. There is an unspoken social
contract in China. If the government makes you wealthier and makes your
life easier, you don't criticize the government. Both sides seem to be
holding up their side of that agreement, so what we have is 1.6 or so
billion people all wanting to buy their own condos and cars, living
under a supposedly "Communist" government that now allows private
ownership of property. It's perhaps Communism wearing a completely new
China is now a totalitarian capaitalistic society who's long-running
communist experiment has dismally failed but the leaders are not ready
yet to admit it. Religious freedom is only a dream for most. Freedom
FROM religion is more accurate.
Religion, and Christianity in particular, is thriving in Cuba. Of all
"Communist" countries, Cuba has perhaps made it work better than most.
Freedom of religion is most absent in the Islamic Republics and India,
where Christians in particular are being slaughtered at a very
In the decade of 2010-2020, if the current trend continues, more
Christians will die for their faith than in the previous 2000 years
On Thursday, December 25, 2014 9:19:30 AM UTC-5, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
I wouldn't call them capitalistic just yet. With reforms, they
have instituted many elements of capitalism. But there are plenty
of elements of communism still left with state owned "collectives"
and farmers given "leases", being one example. The only place that
is truly capitalistic is Hong Kong/Macau and that is treated as a
special region, not under the same rules as the rest of China.
I don't think that's true. China has to approve churches and keeps them on
a leash. But they do have millions of Christians, Muslims, etc that
attend those churches, etc. It's far from a total ban on religion.
It's kind of like their approach to capitalism.
The questions is, what is the world prepared to do about that?
That must have been when the Lutherans and Catholics took a break from
killing each other. The Anabaptists were mostly central Europe, weren't
they, so they probably didn't get in the way of the Catholics and Huguenots
killing each other in France.
Then there was the earlier Albigensian Crusade where the noble phrase
"Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius" that is often misquoted
today as "Kill them all. Let God sort them out." originated.
Prior to that we have the Northern Crusades. Some Baltic pagans got caught
in the crossfire but that was primarily the Catholic and Orthodox fighting
Going even further back, wiping out Arian Christianity wasn't a bloodless
Oh, and I almost forgot the convolutions of British history with the
Puritans, Presbyterians, Anglicans and Catholics. The one constant was the
Irish Catholics getting the short end of the stick.
All that religious freedom migrated to the American colonies where the first
thing the Puritans did was hang a few Quakers before they got down to
Islamists and Hindu nationalists in India killing Christians are really
going to have to get busy to match the body count of Christian on Christian
wars and persecutions. Mostly though the Moslems seem to be content killing
each other in the finest tradition.
The entire world population back before the 1300s was very small
compared to today. - aprox. 360 million. In 1000AD it was only 265
The total number of humans who have lived on earth between 33AD and
2000AD is aprox 36,673,000,000
Over this same period there have been 8,344,000,000 Christians
In this same period, 69,420,000 christians have been killed for their
beliefs - 5,578,000 of these killed by other christians
Of these 69,420,000 christians killed over the last 2000 years,
45,400,000 were killed between 1900 and 2000AD.
Of these, 13,3000,000 have been killed since 1950.
Since 2000 the average has been 160,000 per year, and this is
increasing at an alarming rate both in the north African and middle
eastern Islamic states , the micronesian islamic states, and the
These numbers come from the Gordon Conwell Theological Seminary.
According to the BBC analysis, the bulk of the numbers come from Christians
killing Christians in the DR Congo civil war. It has nothing to do with
religion, just that there are Christians on both sides.
I would also guess '45,400,000 were killed between 1900 and 2000AD.' is
counting the Christian dead of WWI and WWII. Again it had nothing to do with
religion but both sides of the conflict happened to be Christian.
I don't know how good Gordon Conwell is at theology, but they are extremely
poor at producing meaningful statistics -- unless their intent is alarmist
I don't know how one could come up with reasonable estimates of the
world's population centuries ago when it's known that there's an anomoly
in the amount of diversity there is in human DNA.
Studies have shown that the amount of diversity in the DNA of human
population groups around the world is less than it should be presuming
that people evolved from apes over the past 1.2 million years. The
amount of diversity suggests that at some time in our past, there was a
mass extinction of people and only a small fraction of humans on this
Good Earth survived.
Scientists believe that that mass extinction occured around the time of
the last ice age, which ended about 25,000 years ago. It is believed
that the Earth cooled significantly and the people who lived in the
northern latitudes largely starved to death, leaving a very much smaller
genetic pool than would have been the case assuming normal population
growth over the past 1.2 million years.
So, the population of the Earth 25,000 years ago is anyone's guess, and
the extent to which it was culled as a result of that mass extinction is
another SWAG (scientific wild a$$ed guess). All we know for sure is
that there was a mass extinction that greatly reduced the human
population, but what fraction of humans survived is unknown.
The population figures I gave are fairly verifiable, as they only go
back TWO thousand years - not 20,000.
The DNA disersity also supports the theory that man in his current
form has not existed on this earth in it's current form for more than,
possibly, 25,000 years.(and quite possibly considerably less)
I am not an evolutionist, but also not a strictly orthodox
The population of most of the "great civilizations" of the last 20
centuries are fairly verifiable though surviving census data etc.
My own family history is documented back over 700 years, which is a
third of the way back - largely through census and taxation records.
Actually, the bible - particularly the new testament, but also the
old testament from the time of Abraham on, is the most historically
verifiable religious text in the world, and one of the most verifiable
ancient texts period - and as the years go by more of the ancient
place names are being discovered and verified, along with historic
events that were mentioned in the biblical texts and not in any other
known historic records back in the 18th and 19th centuries.
Archeological finds over the last 200+ years have uncovered much that
agrees with and supports the old testament biblical record.
Some of the old testament is more aligorical -and is not meant as an
accurate historical record .
Dating creation using the old testament "timeline" back to Adam, I
believe, is a mis-use of scripture
No, antropologists have bone remnants to support the fact that we
evolved from apes over the past 1.2 million years or so in Africa, and
spread over the surface of the Earth from there. The kinds of homonid
that lived in Europe only 25,000 years ago would have been virtually
indistinguishable from modern man.
The discovery of "Otzi", the "Ice man" who is currently preserved in a
frozen state in a museum in Tyrol, Italy is believed to have lived about
5,000 years ago. The copper ax he carried with him was CAST out of
nearly pure copper and the sharp end was hammered to stress harden it
before it was sharpened. The quality of the workmanship in that ax
shows that the craftsmen that lived 5000 years ago were just as good as
the best blacksmiths that work in iron and steel today.
The shoes the iceman wore are in fact surprisingly warm and comfortable
considering they were made of grass netting, hay and dear and bear
What we find when we look to the past is that people were as intelligent
and resourceful as they are today; they just didn't have the benefit of
the modern technology that make our lives easier. But, when it comes to
crafts and skills, they were just as good working with wood, bone and
leather as any craftsman working in those materials today.
So, the idea that man can have "arisen" at some point 5,000 years ago,
(or whatever creationism preaches) with all the knowledge already in his
head to be able to craft copper, wood, bone and leather into such finely
made furnishings as we can make today out of those same materials is
absurd. This would have required the same craftsmanship as we know was
present in the middle ages in Europe. Young men would learn a craft
from someone very knowledgeable in that craft, thereby allowing each
generation to pass on it's technology to the next. There's no reason to
believe that life 25,000 years ago was significantly different than it
was in medieval Europe only about 1000 years ago.
And there is a stronger chance that it doesn't. It's not Smith but it is a
common name that can be the result of the phoenetic spelling of any number
of European surnames by anglophones and well as the craft name from Britain.
Exactly. How many Coopers are decended from someone who made wooden
barrels. How many Milners are decended from someone who made hats.
How many Bowmans are decended from someone who was a particularily good
archer. Alternatively, how many Bowmans are decended from someone who
cut wood in the King's forest for making long bows and arrows for the
King's guard. Here in Winnipeg, our newly elected mayor is named Brian
Bowman, so there's a lot of Bowmans kicking around.
And how many Bowman's are descended from people that never were anywhere
near the British isles? In the graveyard where many of my people are buried
you can see my grandmother's maiden family name morphing over the years. The
oldest stones have an umlaut, the newer one the oe dipthong, and finally all
that's left is the e.
And why is he of any particular interest? All I can say for certain is I had
ancestors in the 13th century that passed on the chain of life. I had
ancestors someplace when Moses was trying to find his ass in the desert but
probably not in that part of the world.
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