The N95 shortage America can't seem to fix

The N95 shortage America can?t seem to fix
Nurses and doctors depend on respirator masks to protect them from
covid-19. So why are we still running low on an item that once cost
around $1?
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micky
In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 24 Oct 2020 00:36:45 -0400, micky
BTW, how is the rest of the world doing wrt its supply of N95 masks?
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micky
On Sat, 24 Oct 2020 04:12:56 -0400, micky snipped-for-privacy@fmguy.com wrote:
Not scientific - but if we hypothetically tie the medical protective mask supply to serious / critical cases - - it takes many countries to add up to _half_ of the good 'ol US of A .
Oct 23, 2020 serious/critical USA 16323 France 2441 Italy 1049 Spain 2031 Germany 1121 Canada 215 Sweden 39 Netherlands 488 Norway 6 Denmark 18 Belgium 573 Portugal 198
total 8179
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hubops
On Sat, 24 Oct 2020 00:36:45 -0400, micky snipped-for-privacy@fmguy.com wrote:
The problem is a real US made respirator was more like $3-4 and the dollar one came from China. Which one do you think most people bought? When China choked off the supply, we were left with a manufacturing base here that was serving a niche market. The guy on Frontline said his raw material cost for an N-95 was higher than China was delivering a mask for. They may be reluctant to build a factory for the $3 mask and then have the market flooded with the dollar ones again.
It was pointed out, most of the chinese masks coming in today are counterfeit and do not meet the standard. Maybe that is why the hospitals are not using them.
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gfretwell
That's false. The US maker of masks in TX was begging the Trump administration to give them orders for masks at 75 cents so they could re-open four production lines. They were begging January, they were begging in Feb, Mar, April, May, even as the Trump administration gave orders for hundreds of millions for $5 masks to companies that never had made a mask. Finally that TX company got a small order for a few million worth of masks. And I have brought this up here many times now.
Which one do you think most people bought?
That is the guy who could not get orders for masks when they offered them to the govt at 75 cents. Better to give the contract to some politically juiced up companies at $5 that never made a mask before.
But no worries. Trump said at the debate that the military is going to take care of distributing the vaccine all over America, in no time at all. It's coming in just weeks. No further explanation required, just trust in Trump.
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trader_4
On Sat, 24 Oct 2020 10:00:27 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 snipped-for-privacy@optonline.net wrote:
The Lincoln Project has a new ad that's a superclip of all the times Trump said his health care plan was finished, it was ready, and he'd be signing a bill or rolling it out "in two weeks". Those claims started in 2017, and here we are. Now he says it's a 'second term' item, and meanwhile his DOJ is in court trying to get Obamacare tossed out. Without a replacement, of course.
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Jim Joyce
In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 24 Oct 2020 14:30:26 -0500, Jim Joyce
Thanks for this.
Their whole slogan, "Remove and Replace" was a big clue to what their real plan was.
The slogan should have been, even from their alleged pov, "Replace". That way there is a plan until it's replaced. Replace implies remove, although Replace and Remove would have been acceptable** if it were clear that they were removing the old plan and not the new one, again leaving no plan.
**For example, when you replace your refrigerator, first y ou deliver tghe new one, move the old one out of the way, and plug in the new one. Then you remove the old one. But really an insurance plan is not like that. Once you replace it, there is nothing to remove, so the slogan should have been Replace.
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micky
What's sad is how he keeps repeating that lie and the media just largely ignores it. If anyone tries to pin him down, Trump gets mad, attacks the interviewer like he did with Leslie Stahl and his Trumpets deny the truth and side with him.
Reply to
trader_4
You're weird. When I think I'll need a new refrigerator, I get rid of the old one about 4-8 years in advance. That's why the Republican approach to health care makes perfect sense to me. I just need to figure out a solution to the problem of pre-existing food.
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Jim Joyce
In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 24 Oct 2020 15:48:33 -0500, Jim Joyce
I'm sure yuu're right. One moe reason I could never be a successful administrator.
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micky
On Sat, 24 Oct 2020 10:00:27 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
If there is really such a shortage, why doesn't this guy just make the masks and sell them? What does the government have to do with it at all? Who is stopping him?
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gfretwell
Government has no legitimate role to play in health care. 0bamacare, and Medicare for that matter need to be eliminated.
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Roger Blake
He addressed that in his public statements. He said it would take some fairly big orders to justify bringing the machines back online so it would be a huge leap of faith to get them back in operation and just hope for the best. Back in February, no one really imagined that this country would so completely botch our response so as to make masks a long term thing.
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Jim Joyce
The problem is really 3M and their patents on the multi-layer fabric -- or at least the middle layer. Is seems that the N95 requires a layer that stops the small aerosols and this is quite technically difficult to design and produce and the machinery is expensive. All along 3M has been working 24/7 in its only US mask plant in one of the flyover states to try to keep up with demand. Apparently they're building a new plant nearby which still won't be able to satisfy outstanding orders.
This information comes from a recent Frontline documentary. The problem is really 3M's monopoly due to the patent system and 3M's lack of patriotism. 3M could give a free licence to it's competitors who at least have the basic knowledge. And of course the media are falling down on their job to use their access to the public to vilify 3M and Trump's inaction with the DPA. Maybe a commercial-length on prime-time showing some nurse dying of Covid for want of this essential part of PPE. Where's Mike Wallace when we need him?
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knuckle-dragger
On Sat, 24 Oct 2020 20:07:39 -0500, Jim Joyce snipped-for-privacy@none.invalid wrote:
I just watched the interview again and what he wanted was a long term contract from the government after the H1N1 surge and the Obama administration/congress said no. He laid off all the people he hired for the first surge contract so I don't blame him for being skeptical this time when he couldn't get that assurance up front.
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gfretwell
I assume you're joking. The alternative would be that I'm responding to someone who knows less than zero about the Federal government.
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Jim Joyce
On Sun, 25 Oct 2020 05:54:35 -0400, Jimmy Kauffenhak snipped-for-privacy@kauffenhak.llc wrote:
If you don't want to live in a socialist country, why don't you move?
A few of the major socialist programs:
The Interstate Highway system Social Security Disability Social Security Retirement and Survivors Benefits Supplemental Security Income (SSI) Medicaid Medicare Welfare (Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, or T.A.N.F.) G.I. Bill Veterans? benefits Pell Grants Unemployment Insurance Food Stamps Government Subsidized Housing Head Start Home Mortgage Interest Deduction Hope and Lifetime Learning Tax Credits Child and Dependent Care Tax Credit 529 accounts (qualified tuition programs) or Coverdell education savings account (Education I.R.A.?s) Earned-income tax credit Employer subsidized health insurance Employer subsidized retirement benefits Federal student loans National Weather Service CDC Fannie Mae / Freddy Mac FEMA ...
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Jim Joyce
It is certainly what "The Public Option" would be. I am not sure what Trump has done that is even close. I understand they killed the viability of ACA by eliminating the mandate but that wasn't just Trump. His name wasn't even on the suit. As long as this is a partisan political issue, I don't expect much of anything useful out of Congress and there is millions in campaign contributions driving policy. The Democrats take more than the republicans in the last few cycles.
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gfretwell

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