Yeah, now they do it hands free. So now that people can't see it they
no longer have that bug up their butt over it. Distracted driving has
always been a cause, all that's changed is what it is that's
distracting the drivers. And if cell phone use and texting is so
horrible, why do we allow the police to drive around all day talking
on their radios and typing on their mobile data terminals? Funny how
when outlawing teh "distraction" would interfere with the police state
suddenly it's not important to outlaw it.
Then there's the "familiarity" issue. ANYTHING that's new is going to
be somewhat distracting. When I first started using a two way radio
in a moving car it was very distracting - which channel did the call
come in on? got to push which button before replying? Need to turn
up (or down) the volume... Where's that list of call numbers versus
names so I can look up Joe's call sign and on and on. Very
distracting at first. Then you learn it and it's second nature. If
"things are going on" you simply don't answer the radio or cell phone
and if you are on it (radio or phone) you get off it when the outside
inputs pick up. Yeah, it's not perfect but we didn't outlaw radios
and passengers, we didn't outlaw two way radios, we didn't outlaw CDs,
we didn't make eating in a car illegal, but cell phones OH THEY ARE
THE DEVIL!!!!! Note, I'm not addressing Texting... that's not a
'distraction', it is literally a separate task from driving and I
would expect properly done research would show it's in a whole
different class of hazards from talking on a phone. But that's just
Police and fire do not "type" on their mobile terminals. Most are set
to not allow input while moving. They also do not talk all day on the
radio. Just listen on a scanner and see how often someone actually
talks while moving. It's rare and maybe once per WEEK per officer at
most. Only in hot pursuit will they talk while moving. If there are
two officers in the car, the passenger will do the talking.
There are also other users of mobile data terminals that are exempted
by the Calif Vehicle Code. While the law was written to prevent
people from watching TV while driving, it has been expanded to data
terminals, GPS, computahs, etc. Section 27602:
Note that ham radio operators have been exempt. Part of the reason is
that there was no evidence of any significant accidents or fatalities
to hams resulting from talking while moving when the ordinance was
inscribed. There are about 2,000 ham operators in the county. I
think I've met about 1/3 of them. In the last 40 years, I don't know
of any that have died or been injured while driving, much less while
talking on the radio.
So, what's the difference between texting, talking, and ham radio
operation? Ham radio is a simplex operation. You can only talk and
listen, one at a time, and not simultaneously, such as on the
telephone. We seem to be able to handle either the input or output
channel quite easily, but not simultaneously. I've done some crude
testing to see if that's true. When I use a PTT (push to talk
microphone) to make a phone call while moving, there's no problem
because my caller and I are operating simplex. The same operation
done with a handset, in full duplex mode, it highly distracting and
If you want innovation in this area, consider adding a typical mobile
radio microphone to a cell phone, add a loudspeaker, set it up for
simplex, and maybe the mythical accident rate will fall. If not, I
can probably arrange the statistics to demonstrate that it will.
For texting, I had a recent bad experience. I was the passenger in a
car where the driver was getting "notifications" continuously roughly
twice per minute. The phone would make an obnoxious noise when they
arrived. He just couldn't resist the temptation to look at his phone
and see what had just arrived. I mentioned it to him, and was
ignored. There was no interactive texting or chat session, but plenty
of approximately 3 second distractions. That's enough for an
accident. Fortunately, there were none, although I was tempted to
kiss the ground as I exited the vehicle.
Yep. You got it. The smartphone has an accelerometer and can easily
tell when it's moving. Buffer incoming texts and block the keyboard
while the phone is moving. End of problem (until it's hacked).
Apps are already available but it really should be built into the
Jeff Liebermann email@example.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Around here, it is routine to see two officers in the car. When they
are not on their way to a call, one officer is driving while the second
officer is typing every license plate he sees into the terminal and
running plates as fast as he can in hopes of finding a car with
outstanding warrants. There is a very distinct division of tasks.
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
On 16 Aug 2015 20:42:19 -0400, firstname.lastname@example.org (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
Sounds like New Yuck City. You must live in a technically
impoverished area. Even the local fast food restaurants now have
license plate readers. The technology is quite common on the left
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etc... Even cheap security cameras have a headlight blocking feature:
Are you sure the second officer is typing in license plates and not
updating his Facebook page?
"Don't worry about the radios. We can always use Twitter for
(Don't ask me who said that).
Jeff Liebermann email@example.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
On Sunday, August 16, 2015 at 8:42:23 PM UTC-4, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Around here the police cars have cameras that automatically scan
the license plates of cars they pass, doing that function. Also,
all cars passing through the bridges and tunnels at NYC are similarly
run against a big database in the sky.
So he never really learned to handle it as second nature?
One thought that occurs to me in this discussion is that many people
simply refuse to believe a person can manage to use a phone and still
safely drive. Yet pilots do essentially that all the time. I used to
fly small planes and entering the pattern, flying it, and landing a
small plane at a big airport, esp with crosswinds, can be a bit of a
challenge to make sure you don't screw up something. The part that
comes into this discussion is that during that process you have to
ready the whole time to respond to air traffic control, both to
understand and follow their instructions and to talk to them on the
radio, you can't just ignore them cuz "I'm busy with the flaps". They
need to know you heard them so then can then talk to the guy following
you. Pilots do this all the time because they LEARN to do it. There
is no reason to treat drivers like children as if they can't be taught
to use cell phones safety but instead you have to ban their use.
I would guess that pilots have to be of above average intelligence in
order to get a pilot's license. It seems obvious by inspection that
half the drivers are subnormal and those are the ones who can't deal
with driving and phoning simultaneously.
It wasn't a pilot who ran the red light BEHIND me as I was LEGALLY
crossing in a crosswalk on the green light. If I'd been two seconds
slower I would have been roadkill. I couldn't actually see that the
driver was a woman babbling on her phone, but I'd be willing to be money
on it -- she clearly couldn't see that everybody else was stopped either.
My daughter can handle it and does all the time because she's a tour
director and is on the phone constantly solving problems; I rarely use
the phone and recognize that I'm unable to safely talk and drive at the
In the right lane? I back off on the speed a few mph and they pass.
In the hammer lane? Autobahn rules: I need to get back in the right
lane ASAP and I should have seen the guy closing in the first place and
never have been there when he got to me.
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On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 00:41:48 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Monster
Pilots and police do those things all the time. You do know that it
only takes one hand to turn a steering wheel no matter how fast you
are going. And you don't steer a plane with the rudders. When ATC
tells you to switch to tower frequency it doesn't change by magic, you
have to take your hand off the wheel to switch frequencies, possibly
on more then one radio and may also have to change the transponder
setting. Might have to reset the altimeter pressure reading too. All
sorts of things have to be done.
Probably the same idiots who regularly have accidents are the same
idiots who drive while distracted. Distracted driving can be caused by
conversation, something you hear on the radio, a leaf blowing by, or a
smudge on the windshield - drivers who are easily distracted may well be
the same ones who have accidents whether or not they are using a cell phone.
So, the idiots will kill themselves (and other innocents) off at the
same rate regardless of the source of distraction.
I can't wait for driverless cars so the distracted idiots no longer are
driving and can do what they like while their car takes them from A to B.
The roads will then be much safer for those of us who actually LIKE
driving - motorcyclists, sports car owners, etc. - and our attention is
on the road not on the distractions.
(Please post followups or tech inquiries to the USENET newsgroup)
John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9
I would not agree.
A cell phone conversation is fundamentally different from a CB
conversation (which was not alluded to), talking to a passenger, or
listening to the radio.
The difference is that there is no unspoken agreement that driving comes
first. i.e. the person on the other end of the conversation has no
expectation of anything but the partner's 100% involvement.
On Monday, August 17, 2015 at 9:36:22 AM UTC-4, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
That was the tree that I was barking up too. You can't compare
being engaged in a phone conversation with listening to the radio,
reaching for change for a toll, or even talking to a passenger in
the car. We have some learned behavior that you can't just drop
a phone call mid sentence. Reaching for the radio, change, etc,
you can just stop it, no consequences, no once else involved.
With a passenger, you can also stop talking, and
also it's very likely the passenger is going to see why you did
that, eg someone just pulled out into the road, a kid on a bicycle
is wandering on the edge of the road, etc. The passenger will
likely stop talking too. And then there is the added factor that
looking up a person's #, dialing a cell phone, texting, is way
beyond just talking or listening.
Some things are more distracting than others. Of course, there are
those people who mistakenly believe they can multi task and refuse to
understand that it's the conversation, not the phone, that's the
problem. Haven't you ever driven behind someone talking on the phone who
cannot drive a constant speed?
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