In Florida you can vote with any picture ID from this list
Florida driverâ€™s license
Florida identification card issued by the Department of Highway
Safety and Motor Vehicles
United States passport
Debit or credit card
Retirement center identification
Neighborhood association identification
Public assistance identification.
Just as I thought. It's all just emotion and nonsense. That
video is NOT an example of anyone who is legally allowed
to vote being prevented from voting. It's just one sentence
from a PA state representative. He's saying "Voting ID will
allow Romney to win PA" BFD. Here's the obvious meaning.
He, like many others, believe the Democrats
have been having voter drives where a lot of people are
fraudulently signed up to vote. There have been plenty
of investigations where people who are paid $1 for each
person they register, have in the past signed up totally
bogus people, signed up the same person multiple
times, etc. The voter ID law just requires a person to
present a photo ID in order to vote. Of course only a
total lib loon would consider that voter suppression. Is it
driver suppression to require a photo ID on a driver's
license? Or to cash a check at a bank?
Now as to fact, here are just two examples of potential
voter fraud that is going on:
Requiring a simple photo ID which any legitimate
person either has or can easily obtain would prevent people
from showing up at a polling place claiming to be one of
those registered dead people.
Which of course is not true. For example, Florida did a search and
quickly found 2,700 non-citizens registered for example, which is
clearly not a non-existant problem. For a good discussion of
Critics point to the fact that of the 2,700 non-citizens the effort
has uncovered thus far, 58 percent appear to be Hispanic. This, they
argue, is evidence of the type of discriminatory impact that brings
Florida’s efforts under the purview of the Justice Department. This
misreads the intent of the law. The 1973 Voting Rights Act was never
meant to apply to illegal aliens, and the fact that the majority of
unlawfully registered noncitizens are Hispanic tracks with the fact
that most of the illegals in Florida are Hispanic. Furthermore, the
unlawfully registered aliens have been casting votes. Of the 1,600
registered illegals in Miami-Dade County thus far identified, around
two-thirds have actually cast ballots. This is troubling for an extra
reason: Illegal-voter participation is much higher than the general
Illegal or erroneous voter registration is a national problem. A study
by the Pew Center on the States, released in February, found 24
million flawed voter registrations nationwide, or one in eight
registrations. These include inaccurate or duplicate records, people
registered in two or more states and almost 2 million voters who are
on the books even though they are deceased. The number of bad
registrations is daunting; 24 million is larger than the winning
margins of the last five presidential races combined. If the 2012 race
is close, the potential impact of fraudulent votes is magnified.
Things like the registration laws passed by the Repubs in Florida that
criminalized registering voters are another example.
The focus of the NY Times in the above is on a FL law that
requires completed voter registration forms to be turned in
within 2 days of being completed. Under current law, it's
apparently 10 days. It's not clear to me what the core issue is
there, the reason for wanting to shorten it, etc. But in a case
like that, it would seem reasonable that some number of
days in between would be a compromise. In any case, it's
hard for me to believe that such a simple requirement that
completed forms have to be turned in within 2 days is a
serious impedement to legally registering voters.
While no one in favor of a picture-id requirement has ever (to my knowledge)
advocated voter suppression as a reason, I suspect some harbor that idea.
Even if they do, so what? There are many, many ways of legally suppressing a
vote*, this would just be one more.
NRA cards? What's that?
Now my state (Texas) has a picture-ID law (temporarily blocked) that accepts
a Concealed Handgun License (CHL) but not a student-ID, which may be what
you're talking about. The difference is that a CHL is issued by the state
(the same department that issues drivers' licenses) while a student-ID is
not. For those student-IDs that ARE issued by a state school, none have a
birthdate or address and, as such, are less than acceptable for voter
As for your claim that picture IDs disenfranchise the poor, you're probably
right to some extent. The fix, some would say, is to reduce the number of
poor! This is what the picture ID proponents are endeavoring to do by seeing
that the right kind of candidates are elected.
* Legal ways to suppress votes (that I have experienced)
- Hiring off-duty police officers to stand outside minority polling places
with a frown and a clipboard.
- Allocating too few voting machines in opposition precincts.
- Appointing fierce-looking poll watchers.
- In one election, we mailed over 30,000 envelopes that looked like bills.
Inside was an innocuous advertisement. Believe it or not, over 8,000 of
these were returned by the post office marked "moved," "deceased," "unknown
this address," etc. These were then given to our party's poll watchers in
the addressee's voting precinct. When the named voter showed up, he or she
was challenged with an indisputable federal government bit of evidence.
Probably the majority of these 8,000 shrugged their shoulders and left to
have a malt and a toke.
I live in a state that requires picture ID. DL or other state-issued ID is
required and it's not blocked. I had to show ID four years ago where I last
lived. This is nothing new.
The ID is simple to get. The state has been actively going to the people to
get them registered. All this is a bunch of leftist bullshit because it hurts
their chances at voter fraud, which they're so fond of.
-send letters to registered Republicans stating that they are no longer
The operative word here is prosecuted. Our local TV station found
hundreds in our county and some were even interviewed on TV.
All they did was compare people who declined jury duty because they
were not citizens and then voted.
They turned out to be aliens when they were investigated.
That is total bullshit. There is no photo ID "NRA card".
Maybe that is because the Republicans have most of the states with the
most aliens (legal and illegal).
The notable exception is California where you have as many people
voting for a living as you do working for a living. The question is
how many of them are legal.
Our government systems to verify citizenship and legal alien status
are so broken that they are virtually useless (E-Verify is a joke)
At my wife's company they found an illegal worker who passed all of
the government tests and yet she had not one but TWO seemingly valid
green cards with SSNs, driver's licenses and a pocket full of ID. One
was on welfare, the other one worked. Both voted. She was in the
The only way they found her was one of her peers ratted her out.
La Migra said they would "look into it". From past experience, that
means nothing will happen.
On Oct 24, 7:37 pm, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Obama had no alternative but to see the wars out.
It should be apparent to anyone with even half a brain how pointless
the whole business was.
It was necessary to occupy Japan for forty years to straighten them
out. It would be necessary to occupy Afghanistan for twice that at
least to have any effect.
I think the UK has a misplaced sense of loyalty to the USA.
But it's becoming apparent that you a have been governed by lunatics
in the republican party. And might be yet again. Y'have to ask
yourself how can anyone who believes in the mormon crap be other than
Could he be madder then Bush?
Lawyers are bloodsuckers too.
I think so. I recently saw a documentary about WWII in Okinawa and as
one old US Army soldier said it was kill or be killed. The
documentary said the Japanese soldiers showed no mercy killing our
soldiers so I interpret this as you kill in any way you can or you may
not get another chance.
Certainly. The runaway is running to get a gun. Duh.
"So, officer Smith," asked the shooting team investigator, "is it your
statement that the you quickly followed the suspect down the hall into a
bedroom where the suspect retrieved a large-caliber handgun from a dresser
drawer and pointed it in your direction. And you, in fear of your life,
discharged your service weapon in his direction?"
"Yeah, like I told you, the perp went for his piece and I smoked him."
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