Oh my God, your Bush Derangement Syndrome is approaching its end stage.
"Hey, the toilet is stopped up." "It's Bush's fault!" Perhaps you can
go to a library and read some books about what powers a President has.
Will have USA have its Presidents for the next 100 years being Asian-
Americans, in-between-skin-color Latino Americans, or Innuits born in
For that matter, I would prefer someone beholden to that person's
conscience (perhaps if born and raised in an igloo), as opposed to the
lobbyist-bought politicians that too many lazy Americans vote for in
response to degree of presence of lobbyist-paid $$$$$$$ campaign
As for home repair... How well will we refuse to elect those who would
make it illegal for ordinary homeowners to do so or unable to afford to do
Should I need a building permit and inspection by a licensed tradesman
at top-dollar building-trades-union wage to replace a toilet, a faucet
washer, or an outlet, or a socket in a "permanently installed" light
- Don Klipstein ( firstname.lastname@example.org)
Sorry. That's utter nonsense. They mostly signed up to drill two weekends
a month and two weeks a year of training in exchange for help paying for
their college education. When many of the older ones signed up, it was
ostensibly to "fill in" for the main fighting forces. They didn't realize
that the grand restructuring of our Armed Forces after Nam have basically
MADE the Guard and Reserves a much larger player than they have ever been.
The "all volunteer" force was designed mainly to avoid the public pressure
the draft created to end the war. Many DoD officials believe loss of public
support caused the loss in Vietnam. They still can't believe the US lost
because of the nature of the conflict and our inability to separate friend
from foe. Just like AfRaq.
If these warriors loved fighting SO f'ing much, why did Bush have to
Stop-loss so damn many of them? You don't have to "back door draft" people
who really, really want to be there. The reality is that many of them were
willing to abandon all the years they had put toward full benefits just so
they wouldn't have to kill people that many of them knew had never lifted a
finger against us in anger. "Exit" pregnancies skyrocketed as did people
filing for disabilities that were not particularly disabling until they
wanted them to be.
"More than 140,000 troops - all but about 20,000 of them Army soldiers - had
assignments extended under the policy since 2001. It was referred to as a
"back-door draft" by Rep. John Murtha, the combat veteran and Pennsylvania
Democrat who died early this year."
Those numbers alone put the lie to your claim that they all wanted to be
there. Mostly, they are poorly educated kids 18-21 that couldn't find jobs,
needed help paying for a college education or were given the choice of jail
or enlisting. To many of them, combat was no different that playing "Call
to Duty" on a PSP and if you got killed, you just pressed "reset." Some
Reservists are people like my wife, who transferred from the active Army to
the Reserves back in the 80's and have no interest in killing anyone. They
joined out of a sense of patriotism and a desire to help people.
If you look at the MOS's of the people dying in AfRaq you'll find a lot of
representation in civil affairs, logistics, military police and medical
personnel. Unfortunately that specific information is not released to the
public but it can often be inferred from their unit designation. An IED
doesn't know or care if it's killing a vehicle full of Special Operators,
cooks or nurses. IED attacks are one of the main sources of casualties in
the Iraq war - er, OIF. I can't imagine that a gung-ho warfighter signing
up to find glory on the battlefield would consider a "battle" with buried
explosive device the kind of fight they were looking for.
The draft, it turned out, was a good thing because it imposed informal
limits on how long parents would allow their children to be dragged off to
fight meaningless wars. We keep trying to bring democracy to people who
don't know or care about the meaning of the word. We expend vast amounts of
our blood and treasure to somehow bring democracy to Islam. WTF for? We're
neglected everything that's going wrong with our own country in an attempt
to "fix" countries half way around the world that collectively wouldn't
cross the street to piss on us if we were on fire. Where's the sense in
that? Or the reward?
We haven't learned one single, stinking thing from history because we've
already seen that when they do get the right to vote they vote for Hamas.
Still, we're hell-fired still determined to bring them "the vote" as if it
were some magic bullet cure-all for centuries of tradition, culture and
religious lunacy. Magical thinking.
All the people yapping about how f'ing wonderful the Egyptian "revolution"
is might not be so all-fired happy when the Muslim Brotherhood takes over
the country after winning legitimate elections. That's assuming Mubarek
won't just start killing off his opposition. Anyone with a memory can
recall a similar series of events with the press falling all over themselves
predicting an end to the strict control of the Chinese government over its
citizens when demonstrations erupted in Tianamen Square. Oops! Didn't
quite work out as planned!
We always think we know which way the dominoes will fall, but we almost
never do. Remember all the Cubans who were supposed to join the invaders at
the Bay of Pigs? Or the belief the Iraqis would welcome us with flowers and
candy instead of IEDs? Let's back the Shah of Iran, they said. He'll come
out on top. Let's back Marcos, he's a winner. How about Diem? The list is
That's utter nonsense. They knew that they could be called up, etc.
Besides, we are this far into the war and the enlistments (and
reenlistments) for Guard and Reserve are still remain very high. Hard to
suggest after all this time, that they were lead astray.
In FY 2010 for instance, retention for the Army Guard was 101% of goal.
They were also doing ~90% or better of their initial enlistment goals.
Hard to suggest people in 2010 did not know what they were getting into.
"Even I realized that money was to politicians what the ecalyptus tree is to
koala bears: food, water, shelter and something to crap on."
The older ones should have known better, but 'it won''t happen to me'
still applies to their thought processes. A lot of them DID sign up for
the extra cash, and I feel sorry for their spouses and kids. I do have
trouble with letting kids (say under 23-25 or so) volunteer for combat
duty. Their brains are not fully developed (and modern research has
confirmed what centuries of empirical evidence has suggested about
that), and they still think they are immortal. They don't have the life
experience to make a knowing informed decision to put themselves at
risk. They proved that pretty well when they briefly lowered the
drinking age to 18 a couple decades ago, then quickly had to move it
back when it became obvious a large fraction of the 18-21 set couldn't
As for drinking age - what do you think about the many other countries
less restrictive than USA? Such as Germany - able to lift and drink from
a beer mug is old enough to drink. Or France - able to lift and drink
from a wine glass is old enough to drink.
As for countries needing soldiers - there is the matter that men of age
in or especially younger than mid-20's have a famous tendency to be
willing to live dangerously. I think such soldiers would be more willing
to be such if they were allowed to drink.
Another item - sometimes practiced in Greece back in their day a couple
thousand years ago: Male soldier and his boyfriend both serve, in the
same smallest-level unit, both of them being soldiers. If one of such
in-love-with-each-other couples takes a fatal hit from The Enemy, then the
other becomes an enraged dangerous beast as dangerous as wild animals get,
especially if young enough to not-yet-experience the "7-year (or 4-year)
- Don Klipstein ( email@example.com)
Agree with what you've said.
Besides the reservists, some regulars signed up because it was the
best job they could find.
My SIL had a college education but the best job he could find was in
He's a chopper pilot now.
Not to say they're not dedicated and patriots.
But when I went in the Navy the day after I turned seventeen it was to
fight and die. Figured it would be a torpedo.
Never happened, and can't say I was disappointed.
I wised up of course..
BTW, I retired early from a major insurance company.
Domestic business, not a global company.
The policy in our department became to only hire Indians from a
preferred Indian contracting vendor.
So if an American vet returning from Iraq would submit a resume, it
would be tossed in the trash. They'd hire a foreigner instead.
I would be out front having a smoke, and see the big stars and stripes
flying on the high flagpole, and think about those vets.
Pissed me off every time. I got out of there.
God bless America!
If any DID sign up for minimal service instead of real fighting, they have
long ago gotten out since their term of enlistment is a maximum of four
years. It is fair to presume the current contingent of Guard and Regular are
there because the want to be there, they trained to be there, they NEED to
be there. For their family's sake. For their country's sake. For honor's
OF COURSE it's the best job they could find! For them. Where else do you get
to kill people and blow things up? And get PAID for it? McDonald's? Ace
Hardware? Home Depot?
Well, maybe Home Depot....
Eighty-five percent of the troops who have served in Iraq or Afghanistan
re-enlist at the first opportunity. The remaining 15% were invalided out,
retired, or (mistakenly) married harridans or fishwives.
By any chance also for longer term prospect of being employed and/or
getting employer-paid health insurance? Without getting a job in a
politically powerful union or college degree maybe past a "4-year" one?
How about USA having had ~9% "official unemployment" for a couple years
Ever hear of the "Poverty Draft"?
Meanwhile, healthcare and health insurance costs inflate close enough to
or into double digits per year ever since the early 1980's.
- Don Klipstein ( firstname.lastname@example.org)
Oh, I'm sure there's some of that. But your observation is similar to taking
a job in Detroit.
It's not for the faint-hearted.
Besides, the military is one institution, out of very few, where one can
advance based solely on valor and merit.
True, one CAN, but that is not the case as often as one would like.
The parade of sycophantic general officers sucking up to Bush and his
handlers was truly nauseating. Of course there ARE innovative,
courageous, dedicate, creative, ETHICAL officers! But the ones who
get ahead are more often the ***kissers who care more about their
careers than about the rank and file they are supposed to protect and
support. Not naming names, but do I need to?!
Very few of enlistees rise from private to general officer.
I know one guy who enlisted at 16, made three major invasions during WW2,
and rose from the rank of sergeant to 2nd Lieutenant over a period of three
days. He was an engineer and the three days covered the Normandy invasion.
He eventually retired with the rank of major. To my mind, an excellent
example of valor and merit.
But again, I never heard of anyone like him rising to the rank of general.
And you're correct in that the system sometimes considers characteristics
other than valor or merit. Nidal Hassan, the Ft Hood shooter, is an example
of multi-culturalism being added to the mix.
People don't mind Microsoft making 25% but do mind EXXON making 6-8%
and anyone in healthcare making anything. The reasons are fairly
simple, Microsoft isn't selling a product that they feel entitled
to...yet. People feel that they are entitled to healthcare at a cheap
cost because they believe it to be their right. I can't explain why
someone will complain about having to pay $75 ($25 copay) to see their
doctor but not say a word about paying $75 for the labor to replace a
battery in their car. That same entitlement has now moved to the need
for gasoline and the hatred of the oil companies for making a profit
even when that profit is needed for more exploration to keep their
supply of oil up and the prices down. What they seem to forget in all
their sense of entitlement is that those whom they would require serve
their sense of entitlement are equally entitled to earn a living and
profit from their efforts.
Liberalism is a mental disease and those of that ilk have a very bizarre
idea about how the world is supposed to work. They actually believe
there is such a thing as government money and that it exists in
unlimited amounts. They have another weird belief that the government
can actually create jobs. Oh well, we have to tolerate them because they
eventually grow up and turn into Conservatives. :-)
On Mon, 07 Feb 2011 16:50:31 -0600, The Daring Dufas
and conservatism is a learning disability
and those of that ilk have a very bizarre
and conservatives actually believe there is insurance company money
right wingers dont know money is
fungible. when you spend a dollar on healthcare, it's the same dollar,
regardless of whether it came from the govt or from an insurance
and that it exists in
gee. we have UC berkeley...UT at austin...U of michigan...world class
universities...govt funded...that have produced world changing
to the right wing this proves the govt has failed.
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