The gvt doesn't like other competing with it when it comes to
"protection and help" as it makes the gvt look incompetent and
inefficient, which it usually is. So invariably when they can, the
gvt prevents private citizens from providing help. Sort of like the
cases where citizens have given up on getting bridge built or road
paved and they do it themselves and the gvt finds out and makes them
tear it out.
Yes, I've heard of cases of construction companies
getting tired of waiting on government. As you say.
Sadly, in the case of the boat to NOLA, it was a
government group (municipal fire department)
offering to help.
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
Quite true. I've read where they now treat Ebola victims on rubber sheets
that drain into a "honey pot" to keep the virally infected bodily fluids as
well contained as possible. This is a very new strategy that runs counter
to 100's of years of treating sick people in hospital beds with traditional
linens. It will take a while for the skills required to keep transmission
to a minimum to evolve and even then, infected Ebola shit will happen.
People get careless and with 1 million viral particles in a single drop of
infected blood, accidents are bound to occur.
Also quite true. You're on a roll, Kurt. It's a reminder that we need to
be *well* prepared for disease epidemics. They have occurred with
devastating regularity throughout human history and they're probably not
going to go away. We've had less than optimal responses to swine flu, bird
flu, SARS and other diseases in recent history as well. It takes time and
experience to learn how to deal with new diseases. I'm confident that we
have the apparatus in place to lock the Ebola problem down before it kills
anywhere nearly as many people as were killed by the recent mutated flu
epidemics simply because of the nature of the disease transmission (fluids
v. airborne). Inducing wide-spread panic, as the media seems intent on
doing, is probably not going to be very helpful.
True, however it's actually quite a telling indictment of the partisan
hackery that afflicts America these days. But as you note, it's not very
useful in making sustainable claims against the government's response.
Liberal partisans will believe everything Perry did was wrong, and their
counterparts will believe the same is true of Obama. The bottom line is
neither person had very much to do with anything Ebola related. But they
both make very covenient partisan punching bags.
Again, quite true. Reminds me of how the Japanese moved so far ahead of our
auto industry in the 80's. Their motto was "fix the problem, not the
blame." Public health officials have to walk a fine line between
controlling the problem and not inducing a wide-spread panic that could be
as bad as the disease - or worse.
It's neither Obama nor Perry's fault but it's just too tempting a subject to
keep it from being politicized this close to an election. It's also a
reminder that with the country pretty much evenly divided between right and
left, that compromise *has* to occur (and it better occur soon because a
paralyzed government makes us easy pickings for our many enemies in the
On Sunday, October 26, 2014 9:08:16 PM UTC-4, Robert Green wrote:
Oh please. If Obama had instituted a ban on non-essential travel from
West Africa, Duncan would never have been here. And neither would the
next person, who just as surely is going to enter because he still refuses
that ban that two thirds of Americans want. And just maybe the next
person won't be so quickly identified, contained, etc so that you'll have
more infected. How many have to get infected or die for political correctness?
Better take that up with OBama. To fix the problem we need a ban on
non-essential travel. We need an Ebola czar to lead a coordinated, US
response. Obama gave us a political hack, with no experience in healthcare,
outbreaks, or anything else. He's a spin doctor. You want to make
comparisons to Detroit? Obama is in denial, just like the Detroit was
when presented with the threat from Japan.
Public health officials have to walk a fine line between
Politicized? Our elected Republicans really haven't said much. For
the most part, they aren't attacking Obama or anyone else. In fact,
it's lead to bipartisan cooperation. Cuomo and Christie jointly
announced quarantines in their states. Cuomo criticized the govt
response more than most Republicans. He said the federal measures were
inadequate. The governor of IL, a Democrat, quickly followed suit
with identical measures in that state. Because of Obamas failure at
a national level, we now have states being forced to act on their own.
It's also a
as someone has pointed out, in lieu of the expertise demonstrated by the
Texas hospital that had two contagion events in staff that drove to work
via car, choosing Bellevue where most everyone would likely get to work
via subway, all it would take is one contagion event to possibly infect
thousands of people...pretty smart thinking on Cuomo's part
but what were they doing wrong? maybe the commission Governor Perry
empaneled will come up with an answer...wait a minute, the Governor
hasn't empaneled a commission to investigate
And it's not surprising the CDC doesn't know WTF they're doing,
and yet no one at any other hospital has been infected
Also, being a partisan hack, you wouldn't follow the
of course not, that would be Cuomo, you know they are different states.
Texas has the worst health care system in the US, New York doesn't
Yes, but Cuomo knows best
Of course it's Perrys fault in Texas...his state has the worst health
care system in the US and the contagions did happen there
sure, but if she felt like crap and had a fever, worked in a hospital
with an ebola patient and another nurse had already been
contaminated...what kind of nurse is she?
Right, you are all concerned about ebola that has led to one death in
the US, but you aren't concerned about the 108 kids who died of flu last
year or the thousands who die of cancer. Now the cancer isn't contagious
but the over 3000 people who die every year from the flu don't concern
you and the flu is more contagious
you really don't think these things thru, do you
On Sunday, October 26, 2014 9:25:16 PM UTC-4, Malcom Mal Reynolds wrote:
Did the governors of TX, CA, AZ, LA, and all the other states the space shuttle
fell on appoint commissions to find out what happened when it fell apart?
Non sequitur noted.
See the national survey of nurses done a couple weeks ago, where 80% of
them said their hospital was unprepared, they had been given no training
on Ebola. After all why should they? Dear leader Obama stated in Sept
that an outbreak of Ebola in the USA was extremely unlikely.
Such an approach would be one that Obama and the CDC could adopt as a
national policy. Cuomo can't do that. But Cuomo has weighed in on
what the CDC and Obama are doing. He said the CDC measures are "inadequate".
No response on the missing political hack turned Ebola czar?
One that trusted the CDC, exactly like you do. You would think that
the doctor now infected in NYC would have enough brains to stay at
home for 3 weeks too. But he went bowling, road the subway, went to
restaurants. And you would think Dr. Snyderman, NBC's chief medical
correspondent who should be fired, would have enough sense to obey the
voluntary 3 week quarantine she agreed to, but she didn't.
Who says I don't care about cancer or the flu? You can't stop people
from getting cancer or the flu by banning non-essential travel from
West Africa. But it would have stopped Duncan from coming here. If we
could prevent those diseases with a travel ban on a handful of countries,
that were experiencing an epidemic, I and most Americans would favor the
ban for that too. Also,
the death rate from the flu is a tiny fraction of one percent, the vast
majority who die from it are the very old, those weakened with other
conditions. The death rate from Ebola is 70% and it cuts down everyone
from kids to strong, healthy adults.
How many Americans have to die for political correctness? Remember this.
Obama is going to reverse himself and finally ban non-essential travel to
West Africa. It's just a matter of time and numbers before I can say I
told you so. Ebola is out of control in Africa. Despite the assurances
of Obama and the idiots at CDC that say we know how to control it there,
anyone can see they have no plan. The disease is doubling every 3 to 4 weeks.
Their plan for now was the plan they needed 9 months ago. With exponential
growth, it's only a matter of time before we have more cases of travelers
OK, so the hot house that grows the tobacco plants was acquired by Reynolds.
BFD. No one cares who grows the tobacco, as long as we make the desperately
needed drug. Only loons like you would sit there and piss and moan. I would
think you libs would be happy the a tobacco company is finding uses for
tobacco other than cigarettes. I suppose if
Obama nationalized it and ran it like Obmamcare, or GM, then it would be peachy keen.
On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 17:49:17 -0700, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"
As I expected, Bull Shit!
Governor Perry does not have the authority to issue a travel ban for
anyone from those West African countries; but our idiot-in-chief does.
Therefore it could not be the fault of Perry. but your incompetent
Oreo refuses to take action and is to blame.
Governor Perry has the authority and the responsibility to make sure his
state health care system isn't the worst in the United States...you know
the one that has a hospital that infected two of its nurses, but that
cracker refuses to take action and is to blame
and of course, Perry could easily have issued a travel ban on all health
care workers at that hospital, but he didn't
On Monday, October 27, 2014 8:04:11 AM UTC-4, Kurt Ullman wrote:
Bingo! When the first nurse in TX got infected, the CDC immediately said
it was a "breach in protocol". Nice. How do they know? No investigation
had been done. There are obviously two possibilities:
1 - It was a breach in protocol, ie someone didn't follow the correct
procedure, made a mistake, etc.
2 - The protocols are wrong, inadequate, etc.
But, since the CDC not only set those protocols, but had extensive staff
on site at the TX hospital, they want to pretent possibility #2 doesn't
exist. With 400 healthcare workers in Africa also infected, it's quite
possible the disease is being partially spread by other means, eg airborn
routes. That path has been documented from pigs to primates. And a whole
lab of monkeys, in separate cages, got infected here in the 90s.
I would agree largely, but posit also that both are caught in the
idea that government knows all and save all (something both sides tend
to at least not disabuse until they are actually held responsible for
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but what they conceal is vital.?
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