On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 23:08:44 GMT, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
My point is that the warranty book has realistic job times. That's
the factory pays. The Customer Rate books is seriously inflated. When
an experienced mechanic can do 16 hours of "work" in an 8 hour day,
there's something wrong.
Yeah, right. You know why so many cars don't get fixed right the
first time ? Because the dealership puts the least capable mechanic
on any given job. Then when you come back a second time, it's
known as a "come back" and the mechanic who did it the first time
has to do it again, this time be works for free since there's no
chargeable hours. That's a real incentive to fix it right the second
Back on flat rate... I once had a shop quote an oil pan replacement
for me. 4 hours. As part of the job, you have to remove the front
pipe and reinstall it. The guy had the nerve to say to me "It looks
like you'll need a new front pipe. That's a 2 hour job, but since
we're already removing it and reinstalling it as part of this job,
I'll only charge you an hour for it". See where "flat rate" leads ?
If you can do the job why not do it and quit wasting peoples time. If
they know you can do the job they won't wan't to do it. Because they
don't want you bothering them while they do it.
Finite Guy wrote:
I agree... I got a quote varying between 600$ - 2000$ to move the pipes from
the old sink place to a new one for a kitchen remodel. I found these quotes
too outrageous and asked some neighbors for a good plumber. I got lucky to
find a retired plumber living 2 minutes from our house.He agreed to do the
job on a hourly price (20$/hour) and i provide materials.
Total price : 150$ and this price include moving the hot water heater to a
new place, doing some pipes solders in other places and adding some pipes
for a future sink for the basement water closet. The only caveat is that i
must be his helper for the grunt work due to his broken ankle and this is
fair for me.
Same thing for a electrician which quoted me 4000$ to rewire the kitchen. I
paid 600$ to a electrician neighbor to do rewiring of the kitchen, basement
and living room. He even provided his help to fish cat5 and RG6 wires to the
One note is that these peopes i hired are real professionnals. I know that
the liability can be a little problematic here but they stand out on their
work. The plumbed even came back one week after to correct a leakage free of
From my observations on our recent kitchen remodel, hiring subs on a hourly
basis can be a better deal than asking for a set price unless there is a
risk of complications. One charpenter even said this to me when i asked him
for a quote with a fixed price limit.
It pays to check around and ask to do the work for a hourly fee if he can.
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