I need to clean a basement that periodically housed a couple of dogs
who tended to do their business down there. The waste material has been
cleaned up and I used Pine Sol to clean and disinfect the area, but now
the concrete is stained and discolored. I'm thinking of using an actual
concrete cleaner, like the stuff from Behr, but I was wondering if any
of you had any tips first.
Is there something a little less caustic than concrete cleaner that I
could use? That stuff sounds pretty nasty and I think it is more suited
for use on outside concrete than inside a basement.
muriatic acid might be a worthwhile choice.
then wait a month if the odor persists as I suspect it will you will
need to seal the concrete with something like outdoor polyurethane or
epoxy floor paint.
the urine odor gets in the concrete and will reappear every time
moisture is present
Is that paint the sort of thing I can pick up at Home Depot or Lowe's?
I can't find it at Home Depot, and the stuff at Lowe's is $72/gallon!
That's a little on the steep side. I've been searching for "concrete
sealant", "concrete sealer", etc.
I guess I should mention that this is not going to be a high traffic
area like a garage would be, so it doesn't need to be as hard as an
epoxy paint might be. On the other hand, I don't want it to peel up in
a few months. Then again, this place is going to be sold soon so it
would no longer be my problem. :-)
So, assuming that it is more for cosmetic reasons, and perhaps to seal
in some of the odor, do you have any inexpensive recommendations?
I just noticed that Behr has an acrylic epoxy coating but their usage
instructions include using their mildew remover, their etching
chemical, their cleaner/degreaser, and their primer before using the
paint. Is that really necessary for a quick and dirty job?
I'm very tempted to just use the paint and skip the rest. This coating
is simply to make the floor look better and to seal in some of the odor
that might try to come back. I don't think any of that is necessary,
except perhaps the primer, and I'm even tempted to skip that, too.
YOU MUST DISCLOSE the odor problem!!!
If you dont and it returns the buyer can sue you. Your much better off
spending the bucks and do it right.
otherwise the odor comes back and the buyer say has the concrete floor
removed and replaced.
AT YOUR EXPENSE!
smelly homes just dont sell and when they finally do its at a big
The house doesn't really smell now. I'm more concerned with just
covering up the unsightly stains left over from the mess (and possibly
my cleanup efforts with Pine Sol. <g>) It doesn't stink in the
basement, so I'm not that concerned about it. I'm primarily interested
in making it look better without spending $100 to cover a 12 x 10
section of concrete.
You make an excellent point, though, and if we notice any odor, we will
currently your basement smells of pine sol?
later once the home is sold the pine odor will fade. a stink at that
point can cost you BIG BUCKS.
whereas YOU would likely decide to seal the flooor properly to be rid
oif the odor once and for all the new oweners will spare no expense
getting rid of stink:(
Hey hon why not just rip the entire floor up and replace it? that way
it will never be a problem again... costly? who cares it the old owners
cost not ours!
stuff like this happens daily in the US. buyers want a perfect home,
just wait till your worked over by a idiot home inspector...
good luck its not my frief or money I am just warning you, cutting
costs sounds woonderful till it comes back and bites you $$$:(
its not the problems of today that you must disclose, its the issues
oof the past that might return.......
a old nneighbor sold and didnt disclose bad sewer line, terracota pipe
every one in neighborhood has troubles. new owner had troubles. sued
original owner and got 8 grand plus all court costs and legal fees,
about 10 grand, which hap[ppened to be over 10% of homes value, it was
sold as fixer upper for 90 grand.
pittsburgh has some of the lowest home prices in the country thanks to
population loss, I sold a basically identical home just doors away for
113,000 grand all nicely remodeled.
its a nice neighborhood growing in value convenient to everything
No, this basement does not smell like Pine Sol. :-) I just mentioned
it because that was what I used to clean it and, in hindsight, I don't
know if that was the best thing for the concrete, cosmetically
I think I'm overstating the extent of problem. The basement does not
currently smell. I only mentioned a possible future smell because you
brought it up and I thought it was a fair point. My initial post was
simply about covering the stains for cosmetic purposes, not to try to
seal in any odor. I think it just looks bad but it doesn't smell bed.
Maybe Pine Sol was a good choice in that regard, but the concrete just
looks bad now.
I suppose one option is not to do anything because I don't think it's
going to cause any problems, but it just doesn't look very good.
I understand what you're saying about disclosure. If there were an odor
then I'd definitely disclose the cause. So far, there is no odor, just
On 9 Jul 2006 20:13:25 -0700, with neither quill nor qualm,
I prepped well and then used a porch paint. It's 1/4 the price and
works nearly as well.
Follow the instructions. Lack of prep work is the -main- cause for
most finish failures.
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I just found some stuff at Home Depot called Krud Kutter that looks
like it should do the job as far as cleaning goes. If the spots still
look bad after that then I'll go back and get some slate grey floor and
porch paint that I found. It's only $17 and it looks like two coats
would do the trick. You don't need a separate primer, and the only
requirement is that the floor be clean, which it will be.
We'll see how the cleaner works tonight.
Short of putting a diamond grinder on the floor, muriatic acid is how
you prep the slab to accept whatever paint or epoxy you use, but don't
use straight muratic, it's too caustic and the fumes from that will
about kill you. Dilute the acid to about 30% muriatic and 70% water.
Once you do that pour some on the floor and scrub it into the slab
with a broom, preferably a push broom with hard bristles. Once scrubbed
the entire floor, the easiest way to get up the solution is a wet/shop
vac. Vacuum it all up and before it dries do the same procedure with
straight water, this will clean up any residue the acid may have left
which will cause problems with whatever you use to coat the floor.
After that depending on how much air floor or ventilation you have in
the room let it dry for 12-24 hours before you apply your coating. The
epoxy is expensive I know, but it is MUCH better to use then the floor
paint products that are out there and most epoxys will get you 200-300
square feet per gallon. With the paint type products that are out there
you have a 50/50 chance as to wether or not it will peel or de-bond no
matter what you do. It's really better to spend a couple extra bucks
and do it once, than to do it cheap a couple of times. I hope this
helps you out.
Larry Jaques wrote:
cement is caustic to begin with from the lime in it.
so a caustic cleaner wilnot react with it.
bleach is just chlorine bubbled it a acid
so it will react with the cement.and help to remove smell
but a stronger caustic will eat up all organic matter on the floor,like dog
this should be rather easy to clean
On 9 Jul 2006 12:26:05 -0700, " firstname.lastname@example.org"
I sealed my concrete basement floor with a clear epoxy. Can't recall
the product (15 years ago, Home Depot), but it was a little pricey. I
used it in my garage too. Visitors asked what I used and commented
that it looked good. Best of all, I can sweep up sawdust and wipe up
spills easily. It stays clean, has not peeled. Looking back, I'm
glad I did not use anything else. When you mix muriatic acid (HCl)
with water, slowly add the acid to the water (outdoors) wearing
goggles and protective clothing. I recommend disposing of any acid
you have left over, rather than storing it somewhere as it will attack
most metals. Wash your hands with baking soda. Sure, it can be
"nasty" but it is safe when you follow the precautions.
The only thing about that is, 15 years ago the VOC laws and
requirements were alot more lax. Companies now are alot more restricted
as to the amount and type of certin chemicals that they can use to
produce their products. The epoxy manufactuers that I know of and deal
with are still battleing to come up with products that compare to what
they were able to make 15-20 years ago. For a couple years I did
concrete repairs and polishing for all the Home Depots in the western
half of the country and they spec'd all the materials to be used and
none of them could be found in their stores. If you need epoxy these
days seek out a local coatings contracter and ask them to sell you a
couple gallons of something that is easy to apply. Almost every
contractor in the biz has a few gallons of something in their stock
that is not enough for them to do anything with, but would suit a
homeowners purposes just fine.
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