The bit about being a secretary is so misleading. She didn't work her
way up from secretary like it sounds.
She attended the UCLA School of Law in 1976, but dropped out after
one semester. She worked as a receptionist for six months at a real
estate firm, Marcus & Millichap, moving up to a broker position.
[They'll let anyone with a personality sell real estate. If they're
not licensed, they work under someone else. But she was a law-school
When she married in 1977, she and her husband moved to Bologna, Italy,
where he was doing graduate work; there she did English tutoring
to Italian businessmen.
In 1980, Fiorina received a Master of Business Administration, in
marketing, from the Robert H. Smith School of Business at the
University of Maryland, College Park. In 1989 she obtained a Master of
Science, in management, at the MIT Sloan School of Management, under
the Sloan Fellows program.
That's how she got started in business, like everyone else, with an
MBA, not by working her way up from secretary. My neighbor mowed my
lawn when he was in high school and now he's a VP at Boeing, but he
doesn't claim to have worked his way up from mowing lawns.
On Sunday, May 1, 2016 at 3:36:58 AM UTC-4, Micky wrote:
That sure sounds like working her way up from secretary to me. If
you're a dunce and incompetent, they probably don't let you move
from secretary to real estate agent, do they? And why does history
only start when she got an MBA? Being a real estate agent or even
a receptionist, you're already working in a business. Why do libs
seek to denigrate, undermine hard work? Libs would celebrate it if
she was hired under affirmative action, was demonstrating her
business skills selling drugs on the street, or got to the top like
Hillary did, riding the coattails of her husband.
On Sunday, May 1, 2016 at 1:07:38 PM UTC-4, rbowman wrote:
I didn't say that it did. I said if you're an incompetent, dunce
secretary the firm wouldn't allow you to be a real estate agent. But
real estate agents do have to pass an exam, at least in the states
I'm familiar with. And I think given issues ranging from negotiating,
to state disclosure laws, fair housing laws, etc, being a real estate
agent in general requires more skills than being a secretary.
I don't think she's a dunce or an incompetent (at that level) and she
did work her way up from receptionist to broker.
Then she went to school and started all over again.
Because the people who hire an MBA don't care if you were once a
secretary, beautician, newspaper delivery girl, a real estate
saleswoman, or an ice cream vendor when they hire the MBA. They
probably do care, since she's not 18 or even 22 anymore, that she
wasn't in prison or living in a sex commune, but a history of
receptionist and real estate doesn't do anything to get you hired once
you have the MBA and an MS in management.
So is mopping the floor at a business.
What a bunch of baloney. I didn't criticize hard work, and you
should ask yourself what makes you imply that I did. Hard work is
good, and it was good that she had a job, but she didn't work her way
up from secretary like it** sounds. That's all I said. Can't you
read? **"go from a Secretary to leading a Fortune 20 company". Like
Finch goes from window washer to chairman of the board in the musical
"How to Succeed in Business Without Really Trying". A few people do
that without taking a break for a one or two masters, but she didn't.
Why do conservative believe any fool thing that other conservatives
Don't be a stupid fool.
Don't be a stupid fool.
She did plenty well at Yale law school herself. And everyone who
knew her in the Senate, including quite a few Republicans says she was
a hard worker who came to committee meetings and everywhere else very
well prepared. Of course her husband was a big advantage to her. So
were the Bush brothers' father, the Rockefellers' father, but you
don't hear Democrats bring that up until conservatives bring up their
Why do conservatives try to criticize people for no good reason, when
all I did is set the record straight on the fact that Fiorina did not
work her way up from secretary to executive. Any more than my
neighbor would say he worked his way up from mowing lawns to VP of
BTW, the other problem with Fiorina is that she's a liar. She told
several blatant lies when she was running for Prez, only comparable to
Bachmann but far behind Trump. So even if she said she had a real
estate license, I doubt she did, but afaik she hasn't even said that.
Wikip: "In the United States, however, real estate brokers and their
salespersons (commonly called "real estate agents" or, in some states,
"brokers")** assist sellers in marketing their property and selling it
for the highest possible price under the best terms. Crucially, in the
U.S. each state has their own laws defining the types of relationships
that can exist between clients and real estate professionals and those
relationships, such as brokerage and agency, can vary markedly."
**The article said she was a broker, which this paragraph says may be
a mere salesperson who assists the agent. Maybe someone can find out
the law in California and if she was really a broker or just an
assistant or a saleswoman.
On Sunday, May 1, 2016 at 10:23:24 PM UTC-4, Micky wrote:
I see. So according to you, hiring managers don't care if you're a 23
year old MBA right out of school, with only summer jobs at McD's or a 30 year
old who just got an MBA and has a record of selling $10 mil a year
in real estate? It doesn't matter if you have a record of moving up
from a new hire trainee, to a management position, five or ten years
experience, then getting an MBA?
Of course in the real world, it's all relevant. I'd hire an MBA that
had a track record of success, of moving up the ladder, any day over
one that's newly minted with no experience other than working at
McDonald's summer jobs.
Bingo, you're learning. Now show us the mopper who moved from that
to selling real estate, etc and you have a track record of success.
You just denigrated hard work again, above.
And you're 100% wrong. She *did* work herself up from a secretary
to CEO. She's not a secretary anymore and she was CEO. QED
No one ever said or implied that she didn't get an MBA. WTF is
wrong with you? It's part of the ladder of success.
You're the fool. It's a demonstrated fact that she worked herself
up from being a secretary to CEO. If some lib loon told you she got
there by affirmative action or the govt doing it for her, why then
libs would be celebrating her path to success.
I won't invade your safe space, you have a monopoly on that position.
I see, so what Hillary did at Yale, why that's on her record of
success. But Fiorina works her way up from secretary to real estate
agent, to CEO, and that's no good. Go figure.
And everyone who
Tell us what she accomplished in those years in the Senate, beside
filling up space. Tell us her accomplishments as Sec of State.
Reset button? Syria? Libya? Fall of Iraq? Mideast on Fire?
Oh, no. The libs never bring up the Bush's. Never. It's always
conservatives who start things. Good grief.
You're the one here who is criticizing and lying. You just did it again.
Any more than my
If you're neighbor did in fact mow lawns, put himself through school,
and wound up VP of Boeing then it's true that he worked himself up
from mowing lawns to VP. Why do you libs disparage success?
WTF don't you go do that instead of posting pure speculative rubbish?
I'd be very surprised if one can call themselves a real estate agent
or broker in CA without being licensed. But heh, you could get off your
lazy ass and prove us wrong.
She didnb't have 5 years' experience or 10, she had 6 months including
receptionist and broker. And she wasn't selling 10 mil or she'd
have gone back to real estate instead of getting an MBA. AFAIK, she
didn't sell anything.
6 months IS barely more than a summer job.
No I didn't. I told you what those who hire care about, and 6 months
as a receptionist and broker means nothing to them compared to an MBA,
which school they got it from, what grades they got, what references
they got from their professors.
That includes me, but apparently you can't read.
The problem is that you cant' read. She's not like Finch, who went
from the mail room** to Pres of the Board. She took a a break for two
**His job washing windows was for a contractor, not directly for World
No, she didn't . She got 2 masters, probably with her husband paying
the tuition, but certainly not based on money she saved in 6 months.
Don't be a stupid fool.
It would be good but she didn't do that. She stopped and got two
And yes, Hillary at Yale is on her record of success, and Fiorina
working as a receptionist and broker is on her record of success, but
she did not work her way up from broker to CEO. Doing that means
she stayed at one company, or moved laterally or up when moving to
another company, or getting a degree while continuing to work. It
does NOT include leaving the work world, getting 2 masters, and
joining the work world a second time.
I dont' keep track and this is off topic. Is this why you brought her
up in the first place, so you could change topic? The topic is
that Fiorina didn't work her way up from broker.
If you pay attention, you'll see that I am right. You try to make me
wrong by putting "never" in twice, but in common parlance, what I said
If you think I'm lying, you're an idiot. At most it's a difference of
opinion as to what "working your way up" is.
Now he has to put himself through school? Did Fiorina put herself
through school? You never mentioned it before.
What an incredbily stupid remark by you. There is nothing disparaging
about not including mowing lawns in "working his way up"? Do you
think when he gets awards, as he does, that either the person who
introduces him or he says that he worked his way up from mowing lawns?
No they don't. When he comes back to his parents' and sees a
mutual neighbor, he might mention that he mowed my lawn, and I would,
but it's not part of working his way up. There was nothing upward
about it. It didnt' get him into college. His grades did, and it
didn't help get him even his first job. Other things did.
Because for the issue at hand, it doesn't matter if she was a broker
or not. It just occurred to me, when I remembered what an unusual
liar she is, that she might well be either exaggerating or carefully
choosing an ambiguous word to describe her second job there.
You're just speculating too. The wikip article said some places you
On Monday, May 2, 2016 at 3:32:57 PM UTC-4, Micky wrote:
Show us the references to back that up, I bet you can't.
You don't know how much she was selling or even what kind of real
estate she was selling. I never said or implied how much she
was selling. I only threw out that $10 mil sales number because
you claimed that whatever one did before getting an MBA is irrelevant,
so I simply asked if you thought a 30 year old candidate with
experience, say selling $10 mil in real estate and an MBA was
the same as a 23 year old with no experience. The notion that
your employment history prior to getting an MBA is irrelevant
is one of the most bizarre things you've ever come up with.
But then you're hardly the reference for anything, much less what
Fiorina did 35 years ago.
Show us the references for that new claim of 6 months.
Show us the references for 6 months. I bet you can't.
You have the monopoly on nonsense. Of course if it's a lib, like
Hillary, why then you'd crow about her extraordinary achievements
and how she worked herself up from peon to presidential candidate,
Only in Micky's little world does going back to school to get
an MBA wipe out everything you did to get to that point.
Just because you can't understand the concept doesn't make it
misleading at all.
Who cares who paid for the masters? She first worked as a receptionist,
then a broker, ultimately she was CEO of HP. Those are the FACTS.
Only in your irrelevant little world does going back to school to
get an MBA wipe out everything before it. Lots of companies pay
for managers that have had some years of experience to get an MBA, so
they will be more valuable to the company. In fact, that's exactly
how Fiorina got that second degree, at the age of 35, from MIT.
She was an exec with AT&T, which became Lucent, at the time.
So, following the Micky MBA reset button theory, the two decades
of experience prior to her getting that MBA from the MIT Sloan School
doesn't count. Go figure.
Of course she did idiot. She was a receptionist, broker, manager,
exec and eventually CEO. Only an idiot would believe that it all
happened at one firm or that getting an MBA in the process matters.
Do you think most people think HP is in the real estate business?
Who set that new rule?
Which she did.
Irrelevant as to whether it was done while continuing to work
or not. According to your nutty theory, if a 35 year old manager
took a year off to get a degree or travel the world, then
takes another job, all that came before gets wiped out.
Really? Who says so? But I'm beginning to like your dumb theory.
That means that Hillary has no qualification whatever to be president,
because she left work as Sec of State in 2008 and hasn't held a
job since. See how nice that works?
It should be easy to keep track of Hillary's accomplishments, they
are few to non-existent. In fact, that's obviously the real problem,
neither she nor her supporters can come up with any.
Is this why you brought her
Then following your rules, Hillary didn't work herself up from
anything either. Like so many others, there are periods where
Hillary wasn't continuously employed either. The last 4 years,
for example. So, following the Micky rules, Poof!, nothing
If you think the libs never went after the Bushs or other Republicans
you're so partisan it's really, really beyond belief.
I never said your neighbor example had to put himself through school.
You said if your neighbor mowed lawns and then became a VP at
Boeing, does that count as going from mowing lawns to Boeing.
The answer is YES. We Republicans celebrate work, self-improvement,
Of course there is. It implies that doing that kind of work, mowing lawns,
earning money, being productive is not part of one's life record
There you go again, trying to imply that there is something wrong
with earning money by mowing lawns. Of course, when he gets an
award, no one will probably mention it, but they might. If he
wrote an autobiography or someone wrote his biography, I'd expect
it to be in there. Bill O'Reilly occasionally mentions that he
earned money with a bunch of friends painting houses while growing
up on LI. He isn't embarrassed, ashamed, dismissive of it. He's
proud of it!
Of course it's a part of working his way up. Why do you libs
denigrate hard work, being productive?
How the hell do you know what did or didn't get him into college?
I don't know how much money he made, or what exactly "mowing lawns"
constitutes. But if he had a business, made money running a small
mowing operation during summers, why the hell wouldn't he list
that as an accomplishment on his college application? Or if they
asked in a college interview, what did you do last summer, what
should he do, lie? Be ashamed of it? It's a very typical question
for a college interviewer to ask. And I'd sure look more favorably
on the applicant who said I made money by mowing lawns 6 days a week
than I would on the applicant that said I went to the beach.
I see, so now it doesn't matter. Last post you said it did matter
and suggested someone go research it for you. I'd say it does matter,
a real estate broker is a step up from being a receptionist and I'll
bet you that you do have to pass a test, be licensed in CA. Any tests,
licensing for receptionists?
Yes, and look how it's embarrassed you here. Obviously the real
facts don't matter, just how much FUD you can spread based on
speculation and bogus claims.
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