On Mon, 28 May 2012 15:01:43 -0400, " firstname.lastname@example.org"
I'm not demanding anything. Insurance is a good idea, not a mandate.
I don't want the government telling me what to do.
Participate if you'd like, Go on your own if you don't. I don't
care, just don't ask me to cover you if you don't have any insurance.
On 5/28/2012 6:07 PM, email@example.com wrote:
That's the idea of insurance--_SHARED_ risk.
It's no different than those of us w/ grown children still paying real
estate taxes to support schools for the younger generation that do have
children. Why should we do that?
On Mon, 28 May 2012 19:07:19 -0400, " firstname.lastname@example.org"
No, that is how insurance works. I'm not demanding anything. I'm
voluntarily joining a group of like minded people willing to share the
risk. Anyone buying auto, home, health, insurance does that with free
will. (maybe not liability required by the state for drivers, but you
are not forced to own a car).
Demanding is when the government tell me I have to buy health
As for risk profiles, I think smokers, obese and other forms of risky
lifestyle should pay more. I do pay more than the typical young
Don't want to join us? Fine with me, go it alone or with another
BS. I don't see how you interpret that.
I don't see it. Just to verify, I translated it from English to two
other languages and got the same result.
On Tue, 29 May 2012 00:09:05 -0400, " email@example.com"
Man, you are really F'd up to come up with that idea. No where did I
say I wanted government involved. Sorry, but no one can have a real
conversation when you make up stuff that was not said. Show me where
I said the government should be involved.
Never mind, I'm out of this as you are being irrational.
Don't get yourself all tangled up in contradictions.
You're on Medicare.
So the government is demanding everybody who's working to pay your
premium shortfall. Just admit you're a socialist like everybody else
in this country is, instead of picking and choosing who's demanding
what from whom, to suit your ego.
That little bit of Medicare premium that comes out of your SS check
doesn't cut it. WTF, $100 a month? My healthy young wife pays almost
that each week, and her employer picks up at least as much..
Even adding that supplemental premium, your risk group is underpaying.
Hell, it's only covering what the med/insurance industry can't squeeze
out of Medicare.
I'm on Medicare Advantage, and the government pays the premium to
United Health Care. Costs me nothing, but I think I can get hit for
$4-5k out of pocket in a year. I'm a gambler. Maybe a socialist.
But a hell of a lot less so than the insurers and medics who are
getting a lot more government moola than me.
Only time I depended on government income was in the Navy.
And they got a good deal on that one.
I'm on MC because the government makes me take it. Yes, they take
$100 from my SS check, but I also contribute a lot of money ever year
as I have since MC started. I've been paying into that fund for many
years paying for other's shortfall.
I participate to comply with the law, but I never said it was a good
True. I never said otherwise, never said it was the best method. When
I was on private insurance I was overpaying for the group I now
participate in. Maybe it evens out. We'll see.
"Medicare is a national social insurance program, administered by the
U.S. federal government." Wiki, but everybody knows it's socialistic.
For Pete's sake, Ronald Reagan called it socialism.
You don't believe Ronald Reagan?
Please don't say "Keep your filthy gov paws off my Medicare."
Just shows how it's socialism. If she didn't work a day in her life,
she would still get Medicare because I did work.
Even though a single man would pay the same tax as me.
Let's say she was always single. She pays a tenth of Medicare taxes
than some higher earners.
But she'll get the same benefits.
Socialistic. More so than SS, another socialist system.
As far as I can tell you can go on Medicare if you've been a legal
U.S. resident 5 years, even if you never worked.
Just have pay a premium of "up to $451." That implies it's
income-adjusted. Even at $451, a 65-year-old won't find a match on
the private market. Insurance companies would go belly up insuring
old people - people can't afford the premium. That's also why
Medicare is in dire financial straits - not enough premium paid.
It all points to....socialism.
Or maybe death panels.
If you're on Medicare, you're benefitting from socialized medicine.
Voluntarily too - you don't have to go on Medicare, or even stay on
If you're opposed to Medicare, and just want your money back, you
could add up what you paid in, add some compound interest to it, then
after Medicare gives that amount back to wealthy medical providers who
fix you up, cancel your Medicare and wing it.
That would be the "honorable" course for those opposed to socialism.
Give you that righteous, "clean" feeling.
Otherwise, just be a good socialist and don't bite the hand that feeds
you. That's my plan.
FWIW, governments have long told you what you have to buy if you buy
health insurance. The states have long added little trinkets to the
minimum policies. Lots of them w/o any medical reason, but plenty of
political reason. My favorite being minimum stays for OB brought about
by the uproar from so-called drive by deliveries. At least for the first
5 or so years when I was still following this, no studied showed better
results for the longer stays.
There are a bunch of studies showing that for every $ in increased
premiums brought about by mandated coverage, a certain number of people
(usually 3-5 depending on the study) lost insurance.
People thought cybersex was a safe alternative,
until patients started presenting with sexually
Yep. State-mandated coverage for dodgy "treatments" (chiropractic,
aroma-therapy, alcohol or drug dependency, yoga, and the like, all increase
the premiums for everybody else.
In the state of Maine, there's only ONE state-approved health insurance
company (Alabama, I believe, has only two). Coincidentally, fully half of
the businesses in Maine state self-insure.
My health insurance *is* insurance. It has a ~$1500/yr deductible, then
covers 80$ up to an out-of-pocket $5000 (or $6000 out-of-network), then
everything else. I don't get reimbursed for every stubbed toe or sniffle.
It's "insurance" in that it covers what I can't afford to lose, much like my
auto or homeowner's policy.
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