"Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority
of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any
correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or
agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign
government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or
controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United
States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three
years, or both."
Kerry met in 1970, by his own admission, with delegations from the North
Vietnamese communist government and discussed how the Vietnam War should be
Looked at the tags clothing lately? Vietnam's becoming a happy little
capitalist country, regardless of their government. It probably could've
gotten there about 30 years faster without our so-called "help". Since
capitalism is what we WANT to see as a worldwide system (supposedly), Kerry
may have done us a favor, if his efforts in any way sped things up.
When Kerry was asked by committee chairman Senator J. William Fulbright how he
proposed to end the war, the former Navy lieutenant said it should be ended
immediately and mentioned his involvement in peace talks in Paris.
"I have been to Paris," Kerry said. "I have talked with both delegations at the
peace talks, that is to say the Democratic Republic of Vietnam and the
Provisional Revolutionary Government and of all eight of Madam Binh's points .
. . ."
Right. He was present at the Peace Conference as a speaker & as an
audience member. In 1919, Franklin D. Roosevelt attended the Paris Peace
Conference. It has always been valued by world leaders of merit, &
President Woodrow Wilson attended the Paris Peace Conference in 1918
rather than just sending deligates. Bush's deplorable choice for the US
ambassador to Iraq, John Negroponte, attended Paris Peace Conferences
(which Negroponte's royal-blooded wife's father was in an earlier
generation always involved with). Negroponte sometimes spoke for Nixon or
at least for the National Security Council under Henry Kissinger. Does
that make Henry a commy pinko too? Even the Dr. Strangeloves of America
EVENTUALLY wanted the war to end -- & the Paris Peace Conference was THE
place to be if someone was even pretending to care.
It takes a very special brand of Machievallian liars to twist the 100
years of importance for this conference into such delusional fantasies as
you badly paraphrased from the Swiftnuts Bushleaguers:
He had no such meetings with with delegation(s) from Vietnam, North or
South, yet you've badly paraphgrased O'Neill's lie that he met with a
delegation of communists for a traitorous "secret" discussion against
American interests. Kerry's participation in a peace conference that
Nguyen Thi Binh (of SOUTH Vietnam) also attended is NOT tantamount to a
meeting with even one communist delegate, let alone multiple delegationS
as you invent. You couldn't get the year right because you mixed up that
lie for the other Swiftnuts lie that Vietnam Vets Against the War, for
whom Kerry spok in 1970, was a communist delegation. With the "by his own
admission" bit you misquote the original Swiftnut fabrications which
pretended only that Michael Meehan, not Kerry, confirmed that Kerry met
personally with Madame Binh; it would have been great if such a great
woman condescended to meet with such a young Kerry, but it never happened,
& neither Meehan nor Kerry ever made such an empty boast.
It would have been a good idea to have met with Binh, but Kerry just
wasn't at that time important enough for such a meeting during such an
large international peace conference. She was at that time Foreign
Minister of South Vietnam, & her country's leading feminist activist
(destined to become Vice President in 1992, reelected 1997--somehow I
doubt you even realized Vietnam has elections). So it was not only a good
idea but the only intelligent choice to be capable of listening to her for
any chance of understanding the issues of the day. As part of an
international audience, Kerry listened.
As a McCarthy era style slur, this one's second rate, & relies on the
abject ignorance of anyone who would think the name of Binh is boogy-man
enough because she was a communist. That Kerry would listen to Binh is no
more or less importance to his listening to the major presentation made by
Quakers who had dozens of representatives present. So why has she been
feted throughout Europe, Central Asia, & Asia Minor as a great woman? Even
in the Washington D.C. she was feted in 2002 for her for with the United
Nations Conference on Children. Is all of India, the mid & near east, &
Europe the collective enemies of America? Bush sometimes seems to think
so, but no.
The French imprisoned her for three years in the 1950s, for her peace
activism alongside students when she was a teacher. She became a leading
advocate for implementation of the Geneva Agreement in Vietnam. It's true
that President Bush does not respect the Geneva Convention & set up the
Guantanamo Bay prison specifically to undermine Geneva, but that's because
Bush is a evil man; it has never occurred to any other American President
that the Geneva agreements should not be observed. Madame Binh's focus has
always been on peace with special focus on the needs of women & children,
winning the unqualified praise of Sweden's National UNICEF Committee's
president; so Sweden's the enemy of America too. The French who once
arrested her for intellectual activity came to admire this most admirable
woman even though she had once been their opponent, & thus she was a
welcome presence in Paris both before & after the 1971 Peace Conference.
Madame Binh also headed the Solidarity & Friendship Organization which
sought, & obtained, better relationships with the United States. She has
done much to make sure that the bones of MIAs were recovered & returned to
the US, supporting joint Vietnamese/American searches of crash sites &
graves for the repatriation of more than 480 sets of bones.
But she is at the same time concerned for Vietnam's one-million living
victims of Agent Orange. Recently Madame Binh was a ricipient of the Royal
Danish Embassy Medal which she received from Ambassador of Denmark, Bjarne
H Sorensen, for her work for children disfigured by war or by Agent
Orange birth defects, raising millions of dollars for plastic surgery or
prosthetics. Is Denmark now the enemy of America?
Somehow this one great woman has become a whole delegation of evil Viet
Cong in the minds of crazy-ass far-right lunatics.
Frankly, Mother Theresa, with her fascination for & friendships with
dictators who slaughtered thousands, is easier to despise than Madame
Binh. To demonize Madame Binh & through her Kerry is the equivalent of
demonizing Mandela as an ex-con, & through him anyone who ever tried to
bring peace to South Africa.
Anyone who despises the Paris peace conferences is an ass. Anyone who
despises Nguyen Thi Binh is a fool. Anyone who believes a twenty-something
Kerry was a big enough cheese to score a personal meeting with her, let
alone to collude in traitorous discussions, is a liar with no interest in
history or humanity. Which begins to look like the only sort of moral
cretin who would support the likes of George W. Bush -- though no wonder
that lies are essential to make someone like Georgie Porgie look any good.
-paghat the ratgirl
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
Thanks, paghat. You are always so articulate and erudite. I have been
avoiding listening to the Kerry hate-mongers because that is precisely what
they are, and I always look to motivation before giving anything credence.
You've just helped me understand far more clearly how imperative it is that
we get rid of Bush!
BTW, I do believe that Nguyen (pronounced noo-win) is the last name and Binh
(pronounced bing) is the first. Asians reverse the name order. I teach a
handful of Vietnamese-American kids and quite a few are named "Nguyen".
Also, Vietnamese women usually go by their father's name, so her name is
probably not even Madame Nguyen!
P.S. How'd this get into a garden group, anyway?
By the way, I assume you realize that all this energy is wasted. If you
actually believe Vietnam was a threat to us, then you believe the existence
of a polar bear in the Arctic is a reason for the mayor of Miami to have his
office surrounded by armored vehicles 24x7.
Isn't that what real Americans do, waste energy, drive huge SUV's, abuse third
world countries and exert hegemonic control over the Muslim world?
But that's for another discussion, the topic is Kerry, treason, aid and comfort
to the communist enemy and his failure to explicitly apologize like Fonda did.
Meanwhile, back in the real world, Kerry didn't apologize, and he was still
elected to public office. Apparently, there are lots of voters who are able
to think for themselves, rather than being sock puppets for bozos like Rush
Don't listen to the big man, but do watch C-Span and listen to NPR, is that OK
with you? But then again, I don't have a lifelong subscription to The Guardian
nor do I believe in Leninism (don't confuse that with Lennonism) and men from
Apparently, when confronted with facts, not fictions, only disparaging
accusations become appropriate, lame, very lame.
Did you read the article and check the references and citations? I believe
they include the old grey lady and the wash/po. And, what is wrong about a
conservative viewpoint, must a view only be liberal to be true? I know, they
only good sources are CBS, Michael Moore and Paul Begala, 100% truthful,
That was an unusually good article for Larry Kudlow. Of course it's
biased. If you want unbiased, read _US News and World Report_. Boring.
A couple of thoughts that I've stolen from I-dont-remember-where that
kind of sum up Bush and Kerry:
1) Bush has a plan, and Kerry has a plan to have a plan.
2) Bush was born on third base and thinks he hit a triple.
P.S. John Edwards, and to a lesser extent Dick Chaney, scare me more
than Kerry or Bush. President Chaney is scary; President Edwards is
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