This is the first year I've had potted hardy perennials and it looks
like middle TN is about to plunge into low temps. I've got carnations,
some form of wandering jew and bee balm. Will they over winter outside
in their plastic pots or should I a)plant them or b)bring them inside?
Kate - who finally planted garlic yesterday
Just a personal opinion -- but -- I find the term "wandering jew" so
distasteful, that I prefer to use the botanical name. At a nursery
I would ask for the plant by its botanical name.
Googling "Wandering Jew" yields:
Common name: "Zebrina Wandering Jew"
Latin name: Tradescantia zebrina - synonym Zebrina pendula
Note that the Latin name says nothing about Jews.
The meaning is "trailing" or "hanging".
One has to wonder how this unfortunate nomenclature arose.
wrote This is the first
year I've had potted hardy perennials and it looks like middle TN is about
to plunge into low temps. I've got carnations, some form of wandering jew
and bee balm. Will they over winter outside in their plastic pots or should
I a)plant them or b)bring them inside?
Kate - who finally planted garlic yesterday Just a personal opinion --
but -- I find the term "wandering jew" so distasteful, that I prefer to use
the botanical name. At a nursery I would ask for the plant by its botanical
Googling "Wandering Jew" yields +++++ Common name: "Zebrina Wandering Jew"
Latin name: Tradescantia zebrina - synonym Zebrina pendula +++++ Note that
the Latin name says nothing about Jews. The meaning is "trailing" or
One has to wonder how this unfortunate nomenclature arose.
Sorry, didn't mean to offend. The latin name turns out to be Setcreasea
I LOVE how you think!!!!!!!!!! ROFLMAO (ignore curmudgeons......althought
he is extremely knowledgable)
madgardener who refuses to stand corrected when it's in a freaking GARDENING
BOOK for crying out loud..........................................
Hate to burst your bubble but most gardening books are crap copied from
other gardening books and not the latest scientific literature.
Actually, the reuniting of Setcreasea and other microgenera back into
Tradescantia was done quite a few years ago.
Hunt, D.R. (1975) The reunion of Setcreasea and Separotheca with
Tradescantia. American Commelinaceae: 1. Kew Bulletin 30 (3): 443-458.
Hunt, D.R. (1976) Notes on Tradescantia pallida. American Commelinaceae: 3.
Kew Bulletin 31 (1): 104.
Hunt, D.R. (1980) Sections and series in Tradescantia. American
Commelinaceae: 9. Kew Bulletin 35 (2): 437-442.
But who (aside from cutting edge types like yourself) can keep up with the
myriad and constant changes in taxonomy?
And will there *ever* be a final answer on some of these plants as far as
Most casual gardeners are lucky to get the old name spelled correctly, much
less know the current one.
South Florida USA
Believe it or not, many plant groups have already reached a level of
stability regarding genus and species classification. Most of the taxonomic
changes have been done years ago, its just that the amateur gardeners are
not aware of them and why they were done. Despite what you say, the changes
have not been "myriad and constant" nor are they arbitrary.
Those who write garden book should take on the responsibility of consulting
the specialists in the various plant groups for the up-to-date nomenclature
and other important information. At least it should be the specialists who
are encouraged to write the books and not those hack writers who write for
Synonyms are not regarded as incorrect even if not current. Occasionally
taxonimists between the USA & Europe & other nations accept different
names & argue who is right & it never even gets decided definitively, or
by the time it might have been settled, a third name is suggested by yet
another eager botanist.
It even happens that a plant gets a new genus name assigned to itself then
some years later gets the old name restored, so anyone who failed to note
the first change would've ended up being right all along. As the arguments
for these changes are often highly specialized & even obtuse to fellow
taxonomists, it is not regarded as inappropriate that old names remain in
use, & they are completely proper as synonyms.
It's nice but not essential to keep up with the minute details of
taxonomical arguments whose penchant for changing names of things not
infrequently gets vetoed by a larger concensus within their rarified &
archly academic community, many of whom are not horticulturalists &
couldn't keep a plant alive if their lives depended on it. Even the
taxonomists themselves frequently persist in using older synonyms, either
unconcerned or disagreeing with the recommended change.
-paghat the ratgirl
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Not this time babe.You haven't a clue what you are talking about on this
one. That's what you would like to believe but it just isn't true.
David Hunt at Kew and Robert Faden at the Smithsonian are both the experts
on the Commelinaceae and they are in agreement in their classifications.
They even collaborated on a recent revision of the family.
So much for your theory.
You want me to put together a list of the many incorrect plant names and
mistakes on your website?
AMEN to that Toni. You surviving the hurricane aftermath alright? I
remember you lived in N'Awlins area and was worried about ya, unless this is
the South Florida Toni and not the N'Awlins Toni..... but I agree. It's
impossible for folks like myself to keep up with the whimsical change of
names. I just occaisonally purchase a newer edition book and hope I'm
thank you, as always a fountain of information. that means that my 249+
books are considered by youse as crap. actually though, my A-Z is my main
bible, I use my Organic Gardening encyclopedia editions (both of them)
extensively, my Hortus 3rd a bit, the Rob Proctor indoor and outdoor bulb
books alot, my Passalong Plants book by Bender and Felder (I wish they'd do
another one, I adore this book!) my Roger Phillips and Martyn Rix books on
Bulbs, Shrubs Perennials quite a bit,The National Garden book by Sunset
some, as well as their Western Gardening book, and any other problems I come
across, I go from there with what I have on hand or do a hunt and find. I
refuse to let ya burst my bubble, Cereus. Too optomistic at the moment what
with my having moved the 150 pound Cereus cactus, 'Brenda' inside by myself,
all the tropicals and am making dents in the houseplants and other small
pots of cacti and tender bulbs and what not before the cold snap gets here.
The temperatures are in the mid 70's which is outrageous for this time of
year for us, rain is coming soon, and after that, the cold front that dumped
on Denver and the midwest will hit us for a few days. So I am one busy,
pudgy old hippie working frantically with the fall fairies to bring the
insiders to their winter quarters. thanks for the heads up though, I've
passed this information forward to myself so I'll have it for later. Great
madgardener stepping and fetching by herself today
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