It's not like this is a high volume group. It is no trouble whatsover
How does one separate their personal life, from their love of
gardening? You talk and think about all sorts of things in the garden.
If information is all you want, there is more than enough on the Web.
There is more than enough in books. You are just irritated.
I want to know about people. I enjoy learning about people's lives and
trying to envision how that affects their gardens. You want to make
your garden all work and no play, fine, your loss.
"Gardening is a kind of disease. It infects you, you cannot escape it.
When you go visiting, your eyes rove about the garden; you interrupt
the serious cocktail drinking because of an irresistible impulse to get
up and pull a weed." ~Lewis Gannit
So you are saying organic growers are price gouging? That's crap, if
you are talking about responsible growers. Just like you stated that
organic growers would resort to poison to save their cops. That would
instantly decertify them.
If you are talking about what passes for organic, like the walmart/usda
approved crap, like what is going to be allowed with the passage of the
new farm bill, then yes, I agree.
You certainly have condoned the use of chemicals, ie. your better
I wasn't only speaking of what is said ongroup about chemicals....I
stated you should research the issues elsewhere, on your own. There is
a huge body of evidence supporting my position, and I am not going to
review all of it.
And as far as our growing population, that event has been brought about
by better living through chemistry, and it *will* change. It's
I have no respect for the use of poison on any food. Chemicals are
what brought us to this point, and now the masses rely on the use. THe
soil has been destroyed and now we are being destroyed.
That is the reality. That is being realistic
Great Quote Charlie!
Here's a poem by Blake.
The Garden Of Love
Poem lyrics of The Garden Of Love by William Blake.
I laid me down upon a bank,
Where Love lay sleeping;
I heard among the rushes dank
Then I went to the heath and the wild,
To the thistles and thorns of the waste;
And they told me how they were beguiled,
Driven out, and compelled to the chaste.
I went to the Garden of Love,
And saw what I never had seen;
A Chapel was built in the midst,
Where I used to play on the green.
And the gates of this Chapel were shut
And "Thou shalt not," writ over the door;
So I turned to the Garden of Love
That so many sweet flowers bore.
And I saw it was filled with graves,
And tombstones where flowers should be;
And priests in black gowns were walking their rounds,
And binding with briars my joys and desires.
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That should be easy enough. Your reader has a kill button, doesn't it?
There are posters that bother me one way or another. I have no reticence
in pruning their view of the world from my reading. Read us or ignore us
and our "esprit de corps". You already have the choice.
In the mean time, you'll eat poison?
We say that all the time. You don't read the postings, do you?
Or find out who grows your food and how they do it and, support your
local growers and farmers markets. Ain't you listenin' boy? The damn
food doesn't have to travel 1,500 mile to get to you plate. Eat
seasonally and locally and the food will taste a hell-of-a-lot better
and, if you pick your growers, will be healthier too.
We didn't just fall off the turnip truck. We know that there are many,
agri-businesses with political support and efficient merchandising
departments to help separate us from our money in ways that will give
theme the largest possible profit margin.
What the hell we talkin' about this for? It ain't no secret, that we
are getting reamed.
God, don't tell me your lonely. Maybe you need to do better at making
your point, like bringing some facts to the table, or some cogent logic.
Thats the question. What is the proper use? If you don't know it's safe
to be in the enviroment, don't use it.
Tell me that you know about "Body Load". About all the damn chemicals
that you are packin' around in your body, that nature never intended to
be there. Tell me hat you know about the thousands of tons of
industrial, pharmaceutical, and agricultural chemicals that are dumped
into the environment, in this country every year.
Do you have any idea of what that damn water soluble NPK fertilizer does
to the soil? If not, the look for the posting of the review of "Teaming
Speakin' of chemicals, Vietnamese and American plaintifs exposed to
Agent Orange during the Vietnam war on Monday presented their court
appeal against 37 US producers and suppliers of the chemical defoliant.
Ain't Agent Orange the grandaddy of "Round-Up"? At the time they said
there was nothin' toxic about it except for a little contamination from
And dioxin is what was used to poison Ukrainian opposition presidential
candidate Viktor Yushchenko.
You don't have to agree with the postings. If you see somethin' that
don't look right, question it. Bring arguments, don't just piss an' moan
that nobody is listenin' to you. Maybe they will, if you have somethin'
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That's fine. What does bother me is that when certain people like Oz
dissagrees with the 'group', he is branded as a troll. You can't have
a reasonable discussion if you immediately rule out of hand any
opposing arguements by type casting people.
I see here the consistent referal to chemicals as poison. This is the 21st
century and we cannot eliminate chemicals from our life. What we can do
is insure that they are used properly. As I stated many times, there is value
in organic aproaches to farming. The mistake here is that organics are not
developed enough to completely replace chemicals. It's a goal worthy to
pursue, but in a sensible manner. Many things in our world that have improved
our society like atomic energy, but unfortunately people have abused these
powerful and useful discoveries. I hope nobody attacks atomic energy, as it
is one of the cleanest ways we have for generating electricity.
I understand Charlie's pleasure of chating with his friends, but sometimes he
others go a little too far in discussing personal matters. It just clogs up
I don't want to kill these postings, as there are occasionally some
about gardening buried inside.
Oh come on! I know you are probably talking about me, so why not just
say it? So what if my personal rant the other day was broadcast? I
had a bad day, a bad week, and I couldn't talk about anything without
getting it all of my chest, STS. It might have been OT, but it made
me feel better for the moment. And it was affecting my garden too,
unfortunately. Just ask the two pepper plants i ripped up while
weeding. I'm sure they can tell you all about it. LOL. Sorry if I
talk to much - that's just me being me. What does talking hurt? You
never know, you just might find someone who can relate. But I'd still
rather have someone tell me to "shut up" than to hint around at it.
And by the way, i thought OZ's commentary the other day was pretty
funny myself. I try to insert a little bit of humor into things too.
Now, don't get the "tone" of this post wrong, I've laughed about the
entire time while typing it. And, just so you know, I still
appreciate your help the other day.
Have a great day, I'm gonna try to!
Rae is my sister's name. Never had much use for her. Thought she may
turnout OK for a couple of years but it was just an illusion. Glad you
resurrected good feeling about the name for me.
Two pepper plants? I hope they were small. When I do something like
that, I need to set down until the blood returns to the surface of my
skin. I have about 20 peppers in the ground (mostly sweet for salads and
frying) with room for an other dozen (in the germinator, almost ready to
I think that you and Charlie do expose too much of your personal lives
and I fear that some mean spirited poster may try to use it to cause you
pain. On the other hand, early Christians used to confess their sins (in
word or deed) on public steps, for all to know. At least they didn't
have to worry that someone wouldn't like them if they found out who they
really were inside. Don't stop ramblin' on my account. I used to love
listenin' to Charlie Weaver and his letters from Mount Idy and I enjoy
Garrison Keeler's "News from Lake Wobegon, so reading your musing and
observations is kinda comforting.
As Sam Clemens used to say, "Love your enemies, it will drive them
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well, rae is my nickname - the main one that stuck anyways.......
Yeah, it was two of the smaller ones: 1 cayenne & 1 peter pepper
Have a total of 9 cayenne, 4 tabasco, 2 peter, 6 bell, & 4 banana (hot
thankfully the when re-planted those two seem to be doing alright. all the
rain that has started back is helping.
Hadn't heard that quote, that i know of. that's a good one though. I've
been doing the best i can possibly do, other than my two rants on here.
things have settled down too. i still bite my tongue alot. LOL, alright,
I'll shut up now............
This winter we'll have a good gardening discussion about the merits of
the different peppers. I have raised some that I *highly* recommend
for frying and fresh.......some as sweet as apples, they
are.....organic apples, that is.
Hell Billy, I live under a microscope, though folks don't peer through
the eyepiece too often. I admit to being a bucketmouth, but am careful
about what I reveal, and to whom. I certainly get your point. Some of
the details I have revealed, have a point to the revealing. Some would
assume it is trollish, not the case. But this reminds me of a quote by
our old buddy Kurt V.
"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful what we pretend to
be." from Mother Night. Kurt Vonnegut
Don't take that the wrong way, it just illustrates something, the point
of which I forgot as I was interrupted by a phone call and must take my
leave....for a bit
Old Sam was a wealth, love the old guy.......bit of a local boy you
"The question is not whether I am paranoid . . . but whether I am
paranoid enough." - unknown
We all enter our stories through circumstances but then it is taste that
directs the narrative. But once in awhile our habit of seeing becomes an
artifact and we see again with the eyes of a child, without expectation
and with wonder.
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Dammit, Billy...you couldn't let it be, could you?
You've opened up that hole, that longing. That longing for the return
to "the garden", that state of innocence and wide-eyed wonder.
Hunter, Tim, Joe, and many of the boys advocated one way to this
Alan Watts, Ghandi, Jesus, Mohammed...how many are there.....untold
others advocated other ways.
Once in a while.....
Perhaps that longing for once in a while is the rudder that steers the
course of our lives.
Too bad I couldn't have had the Present Billy as a Guide in the Far
Back to Now
Well now, you put your finger on the problem, "opposing arguments". As
mentioned earlier, an argument (as all Monthy Python fans know) is a
connected series of statements intended to support apoint of view and
not the automatic game saying of "no it isn't". Do you understand me?
Am I going too fast for you? That is it in a nutshell.
If all you want to do is say, "I don't think so", fine but you don't
have to ramble on about it characterizing other posters with unsupported
lables. (You still with me?)
If you have read the posts (and it appears that a glaring number of them
have gotten past you), then it "should be possible" to make an
Shall I just go ahead and concede that all solids from the atomic level
on up are chemicals and mixtures of chemicals. Drop the litany. Your
flogging a straw man. It was never argued. The POINT is do you eat a
fruit, knowing that it has pesticide residues in and on it (that work in
unknown and synergistic ways with other millions of tons of chemicals
that have been dropped into the environment from pharmaceuticals to
industrial-waste) or do you pick the organic one. The one that evolution
has selected you to deal with?
We have had atomic energy for 50 years. We only have to wait another
9,950 years to find out if it is safe or not. I would call that myopic.
But that is beyond the the scope of this discussion.
Lord, give me strength.
For who? For you? How do you defend that statement?
You want the message but not the messenger? Good luck trying to separate
the two. All students have to adjust to their teacher's style of
teaching. Suck it up.
I, for one, will not respond to this mindless twaddle again without a
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