Organic Food Helps Revive Fortunes of Europe’s Farmers

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Ok, you may have to excuse me for some of the assumptions I have made such as grass feeding or the level of subsidies. My apologies if I got parts of it wrong. Those were assumptions, though I would add the EU does subsidise its farmers. Whether sheep farmers are exempt from that I am not sure.

That said, the issue of carbon emissions in the total package still stands. Buying British lamb versus NZ lamb on food miles/carbon foot print alone does not stack up. British lamb produces around 4 times the amount of greenhouses gasses landing in the British supermarket as does NZ lamb. Hence my comment that the issue is more complex than that. The executive summary of the report drawn on is the third link, the full report is the 4th link. rob

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George.com
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The article is about organic farming in *Europe* - I don't know what the situation is in the US, but in the UK, organic standards are very strictly enforced by the soil association - the organic stamp has as much to do with animal welfare as what went on the food. It costs the farmer a lot of =A3 to get, too, *because* it's strictly enforced and because it's a *guarantee*. Soil association foods are not contaminated in any way, not by farm drift or even traffic pollution

Eggs, especially are strictly demarked. If an egg says it's free range (and in the UK that means the hens run around free, not in any cage and not inside a building (that =3D barn eggs)) then that egg *is* free range.

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Maya

British farmers do NOT get big subsidies from the EU. The average lamb carcass is getting the farmer around 25p - 0.25% of a =A3 - profit. Farmers are going out of business all over the UK.

British lamb is fantastic, too, an almost entirely grass reared. VERY rare for UK sheep to go indoors any time of the year.

You wanna check your facts, mate.

Maya.

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Maya

well.....................I got a good laugh from it! sorry it was at your expense though. After the last two days I've had - I need the laugh. Maybe that makes up for it being at your expense......................

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raeannsimpson

I might be thrifty - but I ain't that smart. I wouldn't know what to get in that department. Maybe you (or someone else on here) could teach me. Always ready to learn something new.

It ain't the house guests that are bugging me.......all I have had here are the kids - they are fine, we get a long great. Its the adults that can't keep their noses out of my business (suddenly this little country gal has turned into "trailer trash" because I don't wear make-up, don't take 2 hours to get my hair perfect, I stay at home "on my fat lazy butt" {by the way, the S-I-L that said that is the same size I am and she didn't just have a baby! just you wait, I will be back in my size 8/10 in no time now!} instead of going back into the work force and helping with the household income. Now does that sound like the definition of trailer trash to you??) I think my S-I-Ls just don't like me cause I'm younger than them and can get along with the younger generation as well as the older generation. They don't mind using me as a baby-sitter and chauffeur though.

Nope, not yet, and after my big inlaw rant, I might have scared him off...........haha I don't drink "happy hour" stuff, but have one for me will ya??

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raeannsimpson

My headache will be gone in 2 more long weeks! Praying to keep my temper in check that long. Oh well, time to put on my leash and chain.........had the whole day planned out for me and didn't find out about it til 9:30 last night. How lovely..........

Outta here for now, Rae

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raeannsimpson

It seems some people aren't happy unless they can put other people in a hole. If your miserable, then they can be happy. Don't know about your S-I-Ls but it sounds like they may be taking advantage of the situation to get away from their responsibilities and kick up their heels a bit. Younger is intimidating because older is a much more sobering prospect but don't let nobody hang labels on you. Your not a cliche, your a human being with all the depth and complexity that entails. Walking on air and defying gravity and old age is a good trick but we all need to take care of the day to day and don't sweat the bread crumb sins. There's lots of ways up to the mountain top.

At the very least, they say adversity builds character. Sounds like your gonna have a lot of character by the end of the next 2 weeks.

Well coffee is done and the paper is here. I'd better go clear out the cobwebs.

Catch ya later,

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Billy Rose

Well, Mr. Tutu, aren't we grumpy this morning? I think in your new get up, a flower behind your ear, a green or pink bow in your hair, and some pan pipes you'd look perfect in a garden setting.

Thanks for the advice on the catalogue. How's the Opa watch goin'? That girl must be gettin' tired by now.

Keep us informed.

Uh, and my apologies to the good bishop.

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Billy Rose

Oh sure. Glad to be of service, my dear.

It's a sad day indeed, when Mister Billy parades me around the Usenet, dressed in my garden outfit.

Harrumphhhh.

Charlie

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Charlie

Yeah, well, top o' the mornin' to you too, Mr. Meanie.

She certainly is tired of being with child. The contractions have slowed.

WIll do

Heh heh.

Charlie

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Charlie

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I so totally agree!

I started growing heirlooms in 2000 (the year of my first *real* garden. The Stupice was a requirement. My oldest son has a dear friend who certifies farms to be organic (lots of travel in that job!) and gave him some Stupice plants the first year he had his house. Lovely tomato! Those were the also first heirloom I had so when I moved here; his friend gave me some plants as a starter. Then I went to the Yard and Garden show, sat in on the heirloom veggie demo given by Millennium Farms, and started buying more heirloom tomato plants there (and forever after).

Pictures of some of my early heirlooms are on my site from the garden link

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There were many more; these are just the fourteen for which I made labels for MF a couple of years later. The pictures of slices are from the tomatoes they are with, a little PhotoShop magic there.

Perhaps when our weather warms up, they will take off. I would like to finally call this a success!

Hmmm. Only bath as far as I know. They are a cucumber, however, or so I was told, which led me to believe they would grow much like cucumbers. I've never seen a luffa that was not a bath sponge.

I foolishly figured that since my cucumbers, when they get planted, do very well, that the luffa plants would as well.

Gee whiz. You think that matters?! Sorry, I left out that rather important part for growing; Pacific Northwest, Portland, Oregon, area (Clark County, Washington to be exact). Mild weather, at least compared to eastern Washington where I grew up, is our blessing, though we can have greatly overcast and cool summers sometimes though not so much the last few years.

As near as I can tell by one map (Better Homes and Garden site), it's 5b (avocado color) just south of 5a (the light avocado color; guess they didn't want any "real green" on the Washington map).

With your fish emulsion info, I will add some to their growing space. Maybe it will help. If they grow like the cucumbers do sometimes, there will be enough for the whole town!

Glenna

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Glenna Rose

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Luffa or Loofah/Lufah are tropical and subtropical annual vines comprising the genus Luffa. The fruit of at least two species, L. acutangula and L. aegyptiaca, is grown to be harvested before maturity and eaten as a vegetable, popular in Asia and Africa . . .

The fruit of L. aegyptiaca may also be allowed to mature and used as a bath or kitchen sponge after being processed to remove everything but the network of xylem.

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Billy Rose

*SNIP*

*SNIP AGAIN*

It ain't the name calling that's really bugging me - it's the self- righteous, holier-than-thou attitude. I can't stand people like that. Just cause they work and pay daycare fees and live on top of the world in a world of debt, doesn't mean that my husband and I want to. This day and time, it doesn't really pay for me to work, put the

2 kids in daycare, have to use extra gas money (NC State gas tax is 31.5 cents now i think) to go to work, and all for an extra 50-100 a week afterwards?!? I can budget and come out better than that. Stay at home and know my kids are taught right in a safer environment. I'd rather be broke but in the clear, than rich looking and in the red. We don't live in some big fancy house like they do or drive the finest of vehicles, but we have food, clothes, bills are paid, and a house full of love. in my book, that's all we need. i can't help it if their kids would rather be at my house than in their turmoil filled homes.

let's pray and hope so!

Right back attacha!

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raeannsimpson

Ok Charlie,

I'll quit laughing now. On a lighter note, got a bushel of fresh peaches today. Anybody up for peach cobbler for dessert tonight???

Rae

PS: I ditched the in-laws plans for me today. went out with my side of the family. Got my head back on straight now!

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Rachael Simpson

Long time neighbor dropped off 2 lb. of bing cherries this afternoon. In exchange for checking her mail for three day. Gave them to my kids that live about. The gift must pass on.

Enjoyed a bunch but these days it seems storage is becoming of more import. Back to Canning an Jamming??

Bill Who is thinking about fruit and sugar and brandy for about Dec 28

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William Wagner

Yeah, right. Mister Billy has done me in. Everytime you see my name, you are going to have a mental picture that ain't pretty. Sittin' in the garden with the gnomes.

Sounds absolutely.....peachy!

Good for you!

Charlie

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Charlie

Your kids are fortunate.

Charlie, who is now thinking the same thoughts

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Charlie

Thanks, Bill, for once again reminding me.

I know this, but I cannot seem to realize this for very long periods. Many of the spiritual, and philosophical, traditions (as I am sure you know), acknowledge this very thing. I try to remain still, and not seek those things which *I* think must be done, only await the duties that simply arrive unbidden: these unbidden duties are the ones I must perform. Those that I seek, what are they? And how many of the really important unbidden duties, probably the "small" things, do I simply miss or ignore, because I am in my own way?

As Scotty Peck has said over and over......"Life is Difficult"

Your Pal Charlie

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Charlie

Sorry Charlie, but if you shoveled the same drivel as Oz, I'd try and be in your face too. It all has to do with integrity. A lot of the news groups have been overrun with trolls. The best thing we can do is offer them a place at the table if they act like adults. If they are just interested in being potty mouths, I'll "kill file" them as many time as is necessary. The only crap I put up with is what I spread on my garden. Hoping everything is boring with you.

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Billy Rose

Girl, you have your head screwed on right, and I am assuming your husband is right there with ya'. I'm pleased that life, and "they", apparently haven't filled your head clear full of sand.

Your momma and grandparents should be proud.

Daycare? Feh..... Don't ever leave your children in the care of paid strangers. I feel you never would.

This next baby, and the next, coming into our family will never experience the horrors of daycare abandonment as long as we have life within us. When the girls return to work, teaching and nursing, we will be caring for the first one during the days, along with our oldest son, who will be caring for both of his. Everyone benefits, from the children, to those we support, everyone. And yes, in answer to a question from you long ago, the people we care for love children and having them around. It is really pretty cool to see our grandson hanging on the arm of a wheelchair, carrying on a converstion, about Lord only knows what four-year-olds carry on about.

Thankfully, we are in a position that we are able to do this.

Choices must be made, as you know. Unfortunately, so many make choices, who are in the situations you describe, that hurt their children.

Your attitude, disposition and sacrifice restore a bit of my faith in young people and the world in general.

Carry on!

Care Charlie, the pink and green garden....g'nome.

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Charlie

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