Some might remember my posting about building my workshop/garage into a
hillside bank-barn style, well after much consideration and planning I'm
going to abandon that idea in favor of a 30 x 50 steel frame on a flat part
of the yard. The design for the hill side structure required lots of
concrete @ approx $100 per yd. Even with my involvement in digging and
forming I would of had $20K in the 1st floor walls/foundation, floor slab
and 2" toping w/spancrete planks & still needed to build the second
floor/roof. After looking around I found I can purchase a 30 x 50 steel
frame 14' wall and put it on a slab for about the $20k and have money left
for new tools ect. Anyway I'm thinking about a Heritage steel frame (
www.heritagebuildings.com ) if I order from a distance or possibility an
Armor ( www.armorsteelbuildings.com ) as there is a local dealer. The local
dealer is new, has not sold any buildings yet and gave me a substantially
higher price (30%) on the basic parts. His protests aside I can't see any
major differences in the design or materials and I gave them both the same
specs. I do realize it would be nice to have a local on the hook if I run
into problems but I'm don't feel it's worth 30% more, plus if he hasn't sold
and built any yet then he's in the same place I am. If anyone has
experience with Heritage or Armor good or bad I'd like to hear about it,
also any first hand metal building tales would be good too.
Don't know Armor but how do they match when you include
shipping/erection? That is, what's the turnkey difference? Or, are you
thinking you're going to erect it yourself?
Check for differences in doors/windows, etc. Be absolutely sure you
know the actual material spec's for each (ga, finish, warranty, etc.).
30% ime is a <big> difference for the same building--it's a <very>
competitive field, and there's rarely more than a few hundred to $1k on
a basic stock $20k building from various suppliers. Only exception
around here to that is perhaps the "name"--here, that's Morton.
I closed a deal just yesterday for a 30 x 50 x 12 erected on my
existing slab in North-Central Texas. Two 10 x10 doors and 1 personnel
door. 26 gauge colored roof and walls, contrasting trim, no gutters,
full insulation, I-beam rafters and posts, 8 inch C purlins and girts.
I'm planning on putting it up with a few helpers and a forklift because the
pricing I got for a "turnkey" building was about $50k. That was for a 30 x
50 x 14 on piers & frost proof slab w/4:12 roof 60 pd snow load, standing
seam roof ,26 gauge walls, walk door, 2 overheads and 2 windows, r-30
insulation roof & r-19 walls. No heat, plumbing or electrical. I'm in
southern Vermont. The prices I'm getting for just the building w/ doors and
insulation are about what you are paying for the finished product.
Where can you get a building erected for $10.90/sf? Great deal. Even a junk
wood storage building at Home Depot is around $20/sf installed and my
architect gave me a bid about the same price for just the plans ($8K
architectural/permit and $8K structural cals) for for a second floor 500sf
remodel ($32/sf for just the paper work!!!) out here in overpriced
Eight grand for structural?! Sorry, I can't imagine a 500 SF remodel
of any type of construction requiring anywhere near that amount of
number crunching. I'd start looking for a new architect - he's
obviously not concerned with protecting your financial interests. I
wouldn't stick around to find out how he'd do with the actual
The building is in San Francisco where they need earthquake seismic
calculations. My understanding is the new structural cals require much more
number crunching than the previous years. For this upstairs remodel the
City requires me to install a handicap bathroom on the first floor along
with seismic retrofit on the first floor below the area of remodel. I also
need to rip out the first floor ceiling to install full insulation. This
could run into around $350/sf by the time its finished and I'm not sure I
want to go ahead with it. I had hoped to keep it down to $150/sf. Nuts!
Hey Im glad I came across this thread!!
Im a bachelor who is tired of renting. And I want to
build (or have built a bachelor pad). This "house"
could be very small as I don't need much space
anyway..... I could easily live in 600 sf.
Having said that I was eye balling heritage's steel A
frame house. see link
Price on that is abt $18k
I could easily afford that... and believe me money IS
The 'idea" is to build something small enough.... and
energy efficient enough... and economical enough that I
have no mortgage or almost no mortgage.
Do you think model above and using steel is way to go?
Duane hit the nail on the head with the following..............
Both of those you listed are listed with Metal Construction News as
suppliers of PEB's. Neither 'appears' to be design-fabricate however.
Look @ http://www.butlermfg.com /
and you'll see what the better PEB dealers put up for referencing their
products. The above are just 7 of over ?? many design/fabricate vendors.
to http://www.mbma.com/display.cfm?pl6636C6-11C3-11D5-9DD60050FC043376 for
a BIG list of project vendors.
The difference in PEB's is like the difference in tools from say, Harbor
Freight, Shucks, Sears and Snap-On. Make sure any choice you make includes a
mfg. vendor that's associated with AISC http://www.aisc.org/ & MBMA
http://www.mbma.com/ Basically a set standard to work to.
If you run into problems during construction/erection, and you usually will,
you need a vendor that can supply resolutions, materials in a timely fashion
without having to deal with 3rd party idiots. You also need someone that has
EXPERIENCE in erection of PEB's, and not they've put up a couple or four, or
even worse, none.
These are not tinker toys........................Improperly torqued bolts,
wrong screws in roof/wall panels, improper sequence of erection, roof
panels seamed/sealed/installed improperly, ridge/soffitt panels improperly
installed, wall panels lapped wrong, insulation installed improperly and on
Wow, once in a while you post a question to UseNet and hit the jackpot.
Thanks for the well researched and linked post. I've been to a couple of the
sites, like Varco-Pruden and Butler. I have a local VP dealer & he is
willing to sell me the building and a consulting package ....daily rates and
inspections, might be a good way seeing as I can't afford the $50 k + I was
quoted for a turnkey package. Looking closely at the spec's is good advise,
after speaking to several companies I've worked up a sheet of spec's that
covers size thru roof load to door openings and materials.
Thank again, I'l be pouring over links for a while
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