Metal buildings

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Don't know Armor but how do they match when you include shipping/erection? That is, what's the turnkey difference? Or, are you thinking you're going to erect it yourself?

Check for differences in doors/windows, etc. Be absolutely sure you know the actual material spec's for each (ga, finish, warranty, etc.).

I closed a deal just yesterday for a 30 x 50 x 12 erected on my existing slab in North-Central Texas. Two 10 x10 doors and 1 personnel door. 26 gauge colored roof and walls, contrasting trim, no gutters, full insulation, I-beam rafters and posts, 8 inch C purlins and girts. $16,345.00

Ok, I'm in Texas (Boerne, down by San Antonio) who did you purchase it from?

Gary

I'm planning on putting it up with a few helpers and a forklift because the pricing I got for a "turnkey" building was about $50k. That was for a 30 x

I'm jealous

Andrew

Hey Im glad I came across this thread!!

Im a bachelor who is tired of renting. And I want to build (or have built a bachelor pad). This "house" could be very small as I don't need much space anyway..... I could easily live in 600 sf.

Having said that I was eye balling heritage's steel A frame house. see link

I could easily afford that... and believe me money IS an issue

The 'idea" is to build something small enough.... and energy efficient enough... and economical enough that I have no mortgage or almost no mortgage.

Do you think model above and using steel is way to go?

Where can you get a building erected for $10.90/sf? Great deal. Even a junk wood storage building at Home Depot is around $20/sf installed and my architect gave me a bid about the same price for just the plans ($8K architectural/permit and $8K structural cals) for for a second floor 500sf remodel ($32/sf for just the paper work!!!) out here in overpriced California.

personnel

gutters,

Eight grand for structural?! Sorry, I can't imagine a 500 SF remodel of any type of construction requiring anywhere near that amount of number crunching. I'd start looking for a new architect - he's obviously not concerned with protecting your financial interests. I wouldn't stick around to find out how he'd do with the actual construction.

An architect for a storage building? Makes you wanna move don't it?

The building is in San Francisco where they need earthquake seismic calculations. My understanding is the new structural cals require much more number crunching than the previous years. For this upstairs remodel the City requires me to install a handicap bathroom on the first floor along with seismic retrofit on the first floor below the area of remodel. I also need to rip out the first floor ceiling to install full insulation. This could run into around $350/sf by the time its finished and I'm not sure I want to go ahead with it. I had hoped to keep it down to $150/sf. Nuts!

Duane hit the nail on the head with the following..............

Both of those you listed are listed with Metal Construction News as suppliers of PEB's. Neither 'appears' to be design-fabricate however.

Look @

and you'll see what the better PEB dealers put up for referencing their products. The above are just 7 of over ?? many design/fabricate vendors. Go to

The difference in PEB's is like the difference in tools from say, Harbor Freight, Shucks, Sears and Snap-On. Make sure any choice you make includes a mfg. vendor that's associated with AISC

If you run into problems during construction/erection, and you usually will, you need a vendor that can supply resolutions, materials in a timely fashion without having to deal with 3rd party idiots. You also need someone that has EXPERIENCE in erection of PEB's, and not they've put up a couple or four, or even worse, none. These are not tinker toys........................Improperly torqued bolts, wrong screws in roof/wall panels, improper sequence of erection, roof panels seamed/sealed/installed improperly, ridge/soffitt panels improperly installed, wall panels lapped wrong, insulation installed improperly and on and on..................

Dan

Wow, once in a while you post a question to UseNet and hit the jackpot. Thanks for the well researched and linked post. I've been to a couple of the sites, like Varco-Pruden and Butler. I have a local VP dealer & he is willing to sell me the building and a consulting package ....daily rates and inspections, might be a good way seeing as I can't afford the $50 k + I was quoted for a turnkey package. Looking closely at the spec's is good advise, after speaking to several companies I've worked up a sheet of spec's that covers size thru roof load to door openings and materials.

Thank again, I'l be pouring over links for a while

Andrew

Rocking R Construction; Rio Vista; 817/774-5697

One other caveat. The building wind rating is only valid if the doors are also rated.

Thanks, Andy