Don't try any of this in Arizona.
Our (Pima) County Attorney did not charge a security guard at a
Safeway store who placed a suspected shoplifter in a choke hold and
killed him, citing the following:
Subsection D has since been ruled unconstitutional by the AZ Court of
Appeals, however, after the family sued Safeway.
Nevertheless, the guy is still dead.
I posted a factual account that conflicts with your loony advice and
this is the best you can do. I'm simply pointing out our statutes.
Having been on a jury in a false arrest case, I can assure you that
asking to look in someone's bag, isn't it.
BTW, I'm usually (legally) packing when I shop HD, or anywhere else
that doesn't post a prohibition against it. (Costco does, for
instance.) So I wouldn't say I'm living in fear.
Precisely. You must believe that the government will protect you and
all is dandy in the world. I happen to know better and have taken
steps to protect myself. I believe this is called "self-reliance",
which differs from cowering in a corner in fear.
One HD I've shopped at is the auto theft hot spot for the state.
Perhaps because it's located on an Interstate highway 60 miles from
Mexico. "Interstate" meaning it connects two states; Arizona and
Sonora, Mexico and to make it easy for the car thieves, drug smugglers
and illegal aliens it's signed in metric.
A mile from there is a Wal-Mart that used to average three calls to
the police each day to pick up shoplifters. They have very recently
given up and stealing items worth less than $25 is now a freebie.
The aforementioned Safeway market is located between HD and Wally
So when I need to visit these places (my 94-year-old mother still
lives nearby in the house I grew up in and she's not about to move), I
protect myself. Seems pretty simple to me.
You must live in a gun-free place like NY, Chicago or Washington DC
where there isn't any crime.
Sooo, do you wear seat belts? If so, you must be scared because most
people don't have accidents in which seat belts would be that helpful.
If you're gonna be dumb, you better be tough
What a blurry line fear and prevention (or rediness) create. Do you keep
your router's wrenches nearby (relative to the tool) because you fear
you'll have to change the bit or because you want to be ready when the
time comes? How about eye protection? Is it fear or prevention that
keep people not only wearing safety glasses but encouraging others to do
I think you could make a good arguement for either in the majority of
Wise is the man who attempts to answer his question before asking it.
To email me directly, send a message to puckdropper (at) fastmail.fm
Apart from the Best Buy guy wanting to go through my bags, I have not any
major problem in New York. Oh well, there was this guy who got angry when
my briefcase touched his bicycle, and he threw a slice of pizza at me, and
the LIRR cop who detained me because I had the temerity to ask him to ask
someone to stop smoking in the LIRR no-smoking area. But that was about
all in almost 30 years crossing Manhattan between Penn Station and 23rd
street and First Ave.
"Wes Stewart" wrote:
> BTW, I'm usually (legally) packing when I shop HD, or anywhere else
> that doesn't post a prohibition against it. (Costco does, for
> instance.) So I wouldn't say I'm living in fear.
Unless you are willing to kill another human being without hesitating,
you will be damn lucky when somebody takes that pea shooter away from
you that they only stick it where the moon doesn't shine instead of
kill you with it.
It takes a lot of training to make that kind of a decision.
A lot of people can't do it.
Strange that you would assume he would hesitate while the "taker" would not.
I was brought up that you never pointed a gun at anyone unless you were
prepared to use it. The "without hesitating" was also stressed.
I don't carry a firearm, but I do own one. I used to take it on camping trips
to protect against wildlife, mostly the two-legged kind. I've never had to
use it, but I doubt I'd have had any difficulty doing so if someone had tried
to break into my camper.
Depends on how much time you want to spend.
Frankly, I don't normally pay any attention to them and just keep on
walking. Regardless of any sign that they post they don't have the right to
stop anyone. Unless it's a club store,like Costco or Sam's, and you agreed
to abide by club policies when you signed up.
There's a ton of false and misleading information out there about the rights
of businesses to do as they please, much of it is incorrect.
The bottom line is that they don't have the right to do anything unless
they're willing to physically arrest you and take you into custody. I'm sure
somebody will disagree.
As it was explained to me by an attorney, when you open your doors to the
public you give up some of your "private property" rights as a business.
Exactly. I don't mind the exit checkers and anti-theft devices in
stores. But the security at the airports I can not accept. Why
should I have to be hassled, frisked, X-rayed and scanned when I paid
for a $900 ticket? No way, I have not got on an aircraft since 9/11
and found other ways of transportation. The US is doing its job when
it secures our borders....
The silly part of the whole airport business is that it won't do a damned
thing about a 9/11 type attack. It's all an attempt to appear to be Doing
Something. Now if Amtrak could get you from New York to Los Angeles in
reasonable comfort for less than the price of a round-trip ticket to
Tokyo . . .
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