You can lead a horse to water

Ex #2 is doing an "addition" to her house down the street (take the house down to the floor joists and go from there).
This morning she asked me "How much does wood cost?" (see where this is heading?)
Rather than go into board feet, grades of wood, types of wood, surfacing, thickness, width etc. Iwent with "What do you want to make or have made?"
In her future kitchen she wants a 24-26" wide x 6 feet long x 2" thick "oak" slab serving and eating surface/shelf/counter behind the sink and stove top. And she doesn't want bread- board ends - not the look she's going for.
Explained that boards that wide and long, and for that matter, thick, in oak, if you could find it out here in Silly Cone Valley, would be in the $300 - $400+ range. AND it could "move" almost 1/2" between min and max temp & relative humidity if it's plain sawn (quarter sawn oak in that width would be almost impossible to come by out here). Given the location (the relative humidity in a kitchen can get pretty high and next to the sink and stove top...?) I'd expect it to bow and/or cup without bread board ends. Wood and water shouldn't go together when the wood is furniture.
"Oh, I'll just seal the wood with poly. Then moisture can't get to it so it won't be a problem. They do it all the time."
"Oh kee dokee." says I and went out to the shop. I know you can lead a horse to water but ... I've also learned not to spit into the wind. How custom furniture makers deal with people like this is a mystery to me but God Bless 'Em.
charlie b
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OTOH, one of the joys of quartersawn lumber is that it's easily (often invisibly) pattern-matched to other QS lumber. Have to remember to make the first rip on the annual rings, though. Bandsaw recommended. Otherwise it meets at different angles.
Further, RH is the only factor in the expansion equation, and as most moisture in a kitchen is accompanied by a rise in temperature, the RH change might not be that bad. A breadboard end, which would telegraph every movement, would look ridiculous, either short or long with long-term changes in RH. Better to dovetail a few hidden crossgrain pieces, though I wouldn't worry about the whole thing as long as both sides were treated to slow response to transient RH levels.

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wrote:

In the immortal words of the Firesign Theater: " Bombadier, it's your karma, baby."
Having been married to the woman, you probably already know this, but: This is not a project you want to get involved with in any way, shape or form.
--RC Sleep? Isn't that a totally inadequate substitute for caffine?
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Sorry, but I've read your sig line for the longest time and tried VERY hard to keep from correcting you. I couldn't take it anymore, I broke under the strain of it. ;-)
*caffeine* also *caffein* n.
A bitter white alkaloid, often derived from tea or coffee and used in medicine chiefly as a mild stimulant and to treat certain kinds of headache.
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wrote:

mistake is quite common.
What we used to tell folks is to spell cafe with two ff's. Caffe (European spelling?) Then add an "ine" to it.
Caffeine
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Two ff's? Wouldn't that make it "caffffeine"? Great for emphasis, I guess. :)
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That's reserved for the stuff that the military regards as not fit to drink. It's 4-F, after all.
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On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 14:50:23 GMT, snipped-for-privacy@TAKEOUTmindspring.com calmly ranted:

Natch. That Ex #2 is definitely a candidate for reGrooving.
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Fri, Nov 26, 2004, 11:22pm (EST-3) snipped-for-privacy@accesscom.com (charlieb) says: Ex #2 is doing an "addition" <snip>
I take it then that by this stage she is no longer spending "your" money.
JOAT Measure twice, cut once, swear repeatedly.
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charlie b wrote:

water and you CAN make them drink. This was proven by two Texans. (You listenin' Joat?).... But it does take two Texans. One to hold the horses head in the water and the other to get on it's ass and SUCK!!!
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charlie b wrote:

But you still did not answer the question. How much DOES wood cost?
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wrote:

it sounds like this particular wood will cost WAAAAYYY too much...
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Or, you could brick 'im....

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On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 06:56:48 -0500, George wrote:

Thought that was just for filling up your camel.
-Doug
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snipping charlie's lament...

LOL. Seriously.
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