In article , snipped-for-privacy@sbcglobal.net wrote: [rearranged and snipped for clarity]
I'm not sure what your point is here. Can you elaborate?
-- Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
How come we choose from just two people to run for president and 50 for Miss America?
Mark & Juanita asks:
I'm more and more of the opinion that this has the look, scent, feel of D. Eisan, Esquire (that's an old title, back before the lawyers stole it).
Charlie Self
"Man is a reasoning rather than a reasonable animal." Alexander Hamilton
My point is.... The fellow comes in like the preverbial 2 ton gorilla with what HE proposes is THE List for a beginning woodworker.
Who/What is the Pro Woodworking Society? Does it exist? Is he shilling for it? Is it a troll? Why even put such a title in your headers to begin with? Folla?
Tales of a Boatbuilder Apprentice
Well said Dave.
Bob S.
I am impressed "Expert Woodworker". While your woodworking is highly suspect you are second to none in your trolling ability. Any of the trolls posting the obvious, easy to filter type profanity trolls could take a lesson from you. This post has gotten lots of responses from regulars who have wasted their time disputing you.
Congratulations on a job well done. Now into the twit filter you go.
Frank
Hey Frank remember The_ADZE and Cosmo Lengro and his brother Mongo?
Heh Heh Heh. Tales of a Boatbuilder Apprentice
Gee, I've learned so much from this thread.
Old age is no excuse for bad manners. Your replied to my message with a complaint about personal attacks. My message contained only polite questions. There is no way a reasonable person could have interpreted my remarks as being of a personal manner.
Jim Helfer "Beginning Woodworker" (And my age is simply and accident of birth).
Ditto.
UA100
While I can't totally agree with the list of tools it's close enough and the differences would just amount to personal preferences.
All in all though, I would say that that (Silvan;s) post truly contained truly expert advice.
All right, say you are given the benefit of the doubt, which is unlikely to happen now, To pick just one item of your list of the ridiculous, how would you justify recommending a 5 pound, 1/2" chuck, hammer drill as a suitable tool for a newbie. In the week or two I've been woodworking I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times I needed a half inch chuck. I have never ever needed a hammer drill, nor would I want to be horsing around one that weighed five pounds while I was trying put in some pocket screws. True it sure would sink them home and then some but having the screws sticking out of the other side of the boards isn't all that pretty. I'd have to check to be sure of the price but I believe that the HF catalog has 12 V cordless drills at a comparable price and they have clutches in them too boot which is sufficient for a beginner on a budget and far more practical.
I'll give you a break and not even ask about the pneumatic screwdriver.
I'll do you one for $100. Go read Mike Abbott's "Green Woodworking" and you can tool up to make chairs with little more than an axe, a turning chisel and a couple of drawknives.
Of course, you'll be entirely stumped trying to make a birdbox out of two scraps of plywood, but specialisation is the cost of the low entry-cost approach.
There's also an excellent book by the Intermediate Technology people on how to teach woodworking in Africa, by teaching your class to make their own hand tools from wood and truck leafsprings.
-- Smert' spamionam
Hell, I remember Cosmo and Mongo. Weren't they the ones who were asking the group for advice on the best tools to buy in order to build a flying replica of the Spruce Goose?
Ah, we don't get trolls like them thar no more...
Cheers
Frank
Expert Woodworker wrote
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nice advertisement for Harbor Freight there, bucko. If you were a tenth of the "expert" you say you are, you wouldn't be recommending crap like that to anyone, and especially on *this* newsgroup.
Have fun getting killfiled quickly. I can't wait to see what kind of advice you give out in Part 2.
Jon E
Frank you have a good memory. Ayup, I had those 'lads' with their Northeastern US acres of Spruce getting all geared up to build a replica of the Howard Hughes Spurce Goose with their inheritance. But ya don't recall the_ADZE? Aw shoot he'ins wast the feller what lived back in'a pinee woods. :-)))))))))
Tales of a Boatbuilder Apprentice
Do you have a title for that one, Andy? Sounds interesting.
djb
I normally just lurk, but I have just got to know. How did you end up with tools for wedding gifts. All I got was a bunch of fancy plates that I ain't allowed to eat off of. I tried to register at Grizzly, but SWMBO shot that idea down. In fact she shot that down before she was even in office yet. The only good thing about them plates is that I had to build a cabinet to put them in. So of course I had to get some more clamps and some other tools.
But to try to steer things back to the topic. I got most of my equipment in the process of building projects. I now have a fairly complete shop, just by convincing SWMBO that she needed something that I didn't have the correct tool to make.
Just this last month, she wanted some Christmas ornaments, so I convinced her my 16" craftsman scroll saw wasn't up to the task. So I got the new 20" Dewalt. Then my stepmother called me. She makes hand woven baskets and she was complaining about the quality of the various wooden parts she buys to use on her baskets. So I had to go out and buy a bandsaw to resaw the rough oak I have into blanks for basket handles. Then of course I had to build a steamer so I could bend the handles. Then I had to build forms to stick the steamed wood in.
You know, I thought I was a fairly intelligent person. I work in manufacturing, and have been able to handle anything that has come in the door. So I just assumed that I could steam wood with no trouble. Boy was I wrong. I didn't consider all the factors involved. Between the wood type, grain direction, grain shape, and moisture content it's really a PITA. She wanted oak handles, and I have a large supply of rough sawn 2x8 oak. Unfortunately it's about 30 years old and really dry. The first time I tried bending the handles, 90 percent of them cracked either while bending them, or while they were drying. Oops, I really wandered off topic. if you're interested in the trials and tribulation of learning to bend wood with no help. let me know and I'll start a new thread. Although I like to think of myself as and expert, I am still wise enough to know I'm not really that smart, just to stupid to give up.
I think that was a very stealthful drive-by gloat :-)
Good catch.
On 20 Dec 2003, Tom Watson spake unto rec.woodworking:
I wish I could confess to being this exciting new Wreck contributor, but I'm afraid it ain't so. I rarely read the group on weekends, and don't have Xnews on the home computer. It is nice to see some competition for the resident BAD boy, though. You're right, however... somebody so clueless in the usenet department would be unlikely to be an Xnews user.
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