WORKING TIPS FOR NEW WOODWORKERS 1

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On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 16:16:46 -0500, Silvan
I'll do you one for $100. Go read Mike Abbott's "Green Woodworking" and you can tool up to make chairs with little more than an axe, a turning chisel and a couple of drawknives.
Of course, you'll be entirely stumped trying to make a birdbox out of two scraps of plywood, but specialisation is the cost of the low entry-cost approach.
There's also an excellent book by the Intermediate Technology people on how to teach woodworking in Africa, by teaching your class to make their own hand tools from wood and truck leafsprings. -- Smert' spamionam
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Do you have a title for that one, Andy? Sounds interesting.
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I normally just lurk, but I have just got to know. How did you end up with tools for wedding gifts. All I got was a bunch of fancy plates that I ain't allowed to eat off of. I tried to register at Grizzly, but SWMBO shot that idea down. In fact she shot that down before she was even in office yet. The only good thing about them plates is that I had to build a cabinet to put them in. So of course I had to get some more clamps and some other tools.
But to try to steer things back to the topic. I got most of my equipment in the process of building projects. I now have a fairly complete shop, just by convincing SWMBO that she needed something that I didn't have the correct tool to make.
Just this last month, she wanted some Christmas ornaments, so I convinced her my 16" craftsman scroll saw wasn't up to the task. So I got the new 20" Dewalt. Then my stepmother called me. She makes hand woven baskets and she was complaining about the quality of the various wooden parts she buys to use on her baskets. So I had to go out and buy a bandsaw to resaw the rough oak I have into blanks for basket handles. Then of course I had to build a steamer so I could bend the handles. Then I had to build forms to stick the steamed wood in.
You know, I thought I was a fairly intelligent person. I work in manufacturing, and have been able to handle anything that has come in the door. So I just assumed that I could steam wood with no trouble. Boy was I wrong. I didn't consider all the factors involved. Between the wood type, grain direction, grain shape, and moisture content it's really a PITA. She wanted oak handles, and I have a large supply of rough sawn 2x8 oak. Unfortunately it's about 30 years old and really dry. The first time I tried bending the handles, 90 percent of them cracked either while bending them, or while they were drying. Oops, I really wandered off topic. if you're interested in the trials and tribulation of learning to bend wood with no help. let me know and I'll start a new thread. Although I like to think of myself as and expert, I am still wise enough to know I'm not really that smart, just to stupid to give up.
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I think that was a very stealthful drive-by gloat :-)
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Stephen M wrote:

Why so it was, I suppose. It was a long time ago. I know 10 years is nothing to many here, but there's a big difference between 22 and 32.
A lot has changed in 10 years. Mostly, I appreciate Renee a lot more now than I did then. I sure never planned the way any of that happened, but I can't imagine what I'd be doing with my life right now if it hadn't.
I'll be sure to tell her that come next January... January... 10th? 20th? Oh hell. LOL!
Oh, and BTW, a real gloat... SWMBO says to me "Honey, I've been thinking about buying you a scroll saw."
That wasn't on my list, or even on my mind, really. That came from left field. It probably means she wants me to make her something with it, but I'll be glad to. It's sitting in the dining room right now with a big bow on it. Delta 16" VS, probably not top of the line, but I asked about it a bit back and it seems this will be a nice little critter to have around the shop. She paid for it with her money, and she earns a lot less than I do, so that took some doing.
Yeah, I'd say that's a gloat.
(And all I got her were some stupid clothes and some stupid little pieces of rock and metal with no power cords and no moving parts... How boring!)
Having a wife who puts up with me is a gloat too. I'm not easy to live with, and we both know it. She loves me pretty much unconditionally. I'll never understand it, but it sure is nice.
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Robert Smith wrote:

I got most of the stuff from Dad as part of a "setting up housekeeping" type package. A drill, hammer, screwdrivers, drill bits, screwdriver bits... Pretty practical you're a man now stuff. Maybe I got some of it that first Christmas.

We got a lot of stuff like that too. I was a foreign language major in my last semester when I rather abruptly got to learn about EPT, Lamaze, and trying to support a family on a minimum wage work study job... I got some very useful towels, the last of which I just consigned to rag detail recently. Everything else was fancy Euroweird stuff. Linen napkins, fine china, exotic handmade lace thingies, crystal.
I eat with my elbows on the table, always eat with the longest fork and the biggest spoon I can find, and I still haven't figured out what I'm supposed to do with the exotic handmade lace thingies. I think the exotic china and crystal are in the cabinet over the fridge. I haven't opened it since we moved into this house six years ago.
We don't have a lot of company, and the company we do have doesn't know what to do with the exotic handmade lace thingies either.
I've found the crystal is pretty solid. It doesn't tip over easily, so they make *great* containers for holding brush dipping water for doing watercolors. Wickford? Weckford? Wedgewood? Good for cracking nuts into too.

Me too. Not *those* plates, but some other ones. The *good* stuff is buried in dust somewhere. The not-so-good stuff got me the router table I think, and a bunch of pipe clamps for sure. I built a hutch to mount onto a dresser so we could display those plates. They have since been relegated to some other forgotten corner to make way for SWMBO's Barbie collection.
All in all, we probably have four or five sets of plates, and we eat off the stuff my wife got in college.

Me too. I've also used other tactics. As a recent example, I wanted to get into hand planes. SWMBO balked at the price of all the stuff I needed to buy to get started, so I took her out to Lowe's and showed her how much it costs to buy a cheap benchtop planer and jointer. That shut her up real quick like.

I can imagine. I haven't tried anything that large-scale or purposeful, but I've played with bending popsicle sticks for some reason or other. It's a real PITA just bending one of those little things without breaking it. Wood bending people are half mad I think.

Go for it! SWMBO does the craft show thing, and she uses a lot of Chiwanese baskets. I've been thinking for years I could make something better. Maybe you can talk me out of even thinking about trying, or talk me into a new tool. Whichever. :)
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Silvan writes:

Just use willow. No new tools needed. How's that for disappointment.
Charlie Self
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Charlie Self wrote:

Big disappointment. I have a willow tree, so there's not even an excuse to buy wood. :(
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Well I have 48 years professional experience and that is the sorriest list of tools I have ever seen in one list.
As they are bargains they are only good for a 6 thumbed non mechanical person that attempts to make a home repair and then finnally admits he is not mechanically inclined and hires someone competent to get the chore taken care of And then set it in the corner or use it as a boat anchor.
Most of these tools are only good in the hands of someone that is skilled and knows how to get the best out of the worst.
The only truth in this post is that you do not have to use you life savings to get decent equipment but this is a waste of money and will deter some from not become a woodworker.
Can't wait for the next episode on use of table What are you going to tell them --not to touch that whirly thingy going around in circle @ 80 miles and hour HMMMMMMMM
Well I have seen experts and I have seen experts this is truly one of them.
These self proclaimed experts amaze me.
By the way to all you skilled Hobbiests there are more inept unknowledable people in proffesional shops than there are of you guys in your home shops happily whittling away.
Nuff said, stay here newbies some info you get here will be good and some great and some bad and some not worth a shit Guess where this post ranks

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God I hope I haven't been suckered into replying to troll/spam.
But for a beginner woodworker, I can't imagine why on earth you'd recommend their first tools include a 1/2" hammer drill, a glue gun, and a paint gun.
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In the spirit of the holiday season,
I think it's great that you are able to give your grandson some tools that will hopefully, foster a desire for him to follow in your footsteps. For whatever reason you selected those particular tools - it's your gift to him and I hope you follow-up and show him how to properly use them. Forty years of experience - that would be the real gift.
Bob S.
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Thank you, Bob. Like I said, the majority of the users here are good people. It is about time that one of them decided to reply.
I offered to buy him a high end circular saw and a few other expensive pieces. Actually, he picked out the HF stuff by himself. I originally thought it was a bad idea, but I went along with it and put the order on my card. Once the stuff arrived I was truly impressed at the relatively acceptable performance. I make no account of other products from this vendor. I have also seen a fair amount of crap from them.
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snipped-for-privacy@adelphia.net (Tom Bergman) wrote in

Would a spammer admit that many of the products sold by the company in question are garbage? Probably not. I found the SPECIFIC items on the list to be adequate for a BEGINNER. Why are you so harsh?
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When you continue to dodge and ignore the questions posed to you, and in fact, get OFFENDED that someone dare question the "expert woodworker", what do you expect? Answer the legitimate questions posed.
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Not a harsh word in there. Why don't you answer the question about why a 1/2" hammer drill, a glue gun, and a paint gun would good starter tools for a beginner? I'm a long way from a beginner (or just beginning - depends on who in the wreck I'm compared to) and I see little or no use for those three specific tools.
What do you propose be made here - a spray painted craft wreath with glued on fake fruit, Hilti bolted to the sidewalk?
Ok, the 1/2" hammer drill can drill plain old holes in wood too, but a standard corded or cordless 3/8" is a lot more appropriate for that.
wouldn't things like chisels, layout tools, scrapers, planes, a good paint (well, one for varnish or shellac) brush make just a wee bit more sense for a beginning woodworker?
Face it, you gave bad advice.
And that's just a wee bit harsh.

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Self proclaimed experts? Well, as they say, "it takes one to know one".
Hot glue gun? 5 pound reversible HAMMER drill? Pneumatic screw gun $40.00, what about the other couple of hundred for the compressor? Maybe you can recommend one of those 12V tire inflation compressors to run it for $24.00. Airless spray gun when a less then $100.00 serviceable HVLP system is available in the same catalog? Not a mention of clamps, chisels, rasps & files, let alone measuring and marking tools. HF has some reasonably accurate engineering squares in that same catalog. Hell, not even a hint of the most important tool of all, reference books.
While the opening sentiments are good, ninety percent of the tool list is so ludicrous it smacks highly of troll. The only reason I can see for anyone replying to it is that some newbie might actually take it seriously.
Hell man your not even an expert troll but, to give some credit, you did provide some entertainment and a chuckle or two.
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On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 11:55:12 GMT, Export Woodworker

Man, this smells so much like Davey...
I once had a guy apply for work who said he had forty years experience - and he did, too - as a concrete form man. Didn't have much use for him.
I'd take that five-hundred dollars and buy all best quality hand tools - the prettiest ones I could find.
That way the kid has a good leg up if he sticks with it and can use the tools as decorations if he doesn't.
Regards,
Tom Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.) www.users.snip.net/~tjwatson
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wrote:

Nah, Davey'd be working today, this close to Christmas.
The Harbor Fright stuff don't bother me none - I just can't figger a self proclaimed old fart would be using Xnews.
Now, Scotty Cramer uses Xnews...
Regards,
Tom Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.) http:users.snip.net/~tjwatson
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On 20 Dec 2003, Tom Watson spake unto rec.woodworking:

         I wish I could confess to being this exciting new Wreck contributor, but I'm afraid it ain't so. I rarely read the group on weekends, and don't have Xnews on the home computer. It is nice to see some competition for the resident BAD boy, though. You're right, however... somebody so clueless in the usenet department would be unlikely to be an Xnews user.
    
    
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Your post reminded me of a question that came up when discussing a Christmas gift idea with my wife. She was attempting to locate the larger amp hour (3.5ah)Panasonic drill recently reviewed in a woodworker mag. She thought she should get me the "set" that included an impact driver. I was then and am now unable to imagine a use for an impact driver in woodworking. When I hear/see impact all that comes to mind is the dismounting and mounting of automobile wheels.
I would appreciate it if you would elaborate on the need for such a tool in a wood shop.
Regards, RichardC

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