I honestly have never found a great need for a plate or biscuit joiner BUT
last winter I did buy a PC ... and during that year I have used it ONCE...
and it did work !
BUT looking back over the year I made a bad buy...
Projects built during the year were an entertainment center a pair of end
tables, and a coffee table all for my daughters home.. Plenty of chances to
use the thing BUT I honestly could have made out better by using the money
Just my opinion...
I picked up a type 3 PC yesterday at HD. They had the $30 rebate
(assuming a HD gift card) which ended yesterday. Looks like a great
tool, love the smell of a new tool when the case is opened. Going to do
some practice cuts today to get a feel for the fence and adjustments.
Thanks for the help everyone!!!!
Ron Stitt wrote:
I just send in a $30 cash rebate offered by Porter Cable for the 557 I received
as a Christmas present from my wife (yes, she get the $30). I got the rebate
form off the Porter Cable web site. The jointer had to be purchased between
11/1/2003 and 12/31/2003. The envelope must be postmarked before 1/7/2004.
Buffalo, NY - USA
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I sent mine in Tuesday, but there is one thing I feel uncomfortable
with about the PC rebate - they want the ORIGINAL receipt.
I usually hang onto receipts until the tool turns into dust... <g>
I made a copy of the receipt for my records before sending in the original. I
staple the receipt inside the manual and then keep the manual in a filing cabinet.
One of these days I should go through that file and, at least, remove the manuals
for the tools that bit the dust over 10 years ago.
Buffalo, NY - USA
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I bought the DeWalt. . .I considered the ff capability but felt I
could live without it.
The primary reason I liked the DeWalt was ergonomic (sic?)Their
machine just felt more comfortable and balanced to me. After about 50
slots on a project balance and comfort become even more critical.
The PC 557 has play in the sliding mechanism, you can feel it in a new
tool. It is aggravated by the placement of the handle which PC
suggests is a good feature. The sloppy base cause the slot to be
bigger causing the biscuits to fit loosely which is not what you are
trying to achieve. A good biscuit joiner should cut a slot where the
biscuits need to be tapped in with a mallet. The FF slots if you need
them can be cut more accurately on a router table with a 5/32 3 wing
cutter. Lamello or Makita if you want to go cheap.
My Lamello, Classic C-2, will not cut FF slots. And if you think that's going
cheap, good luck to you. But, then, you really don't want biscuit slots so
tight you have to use a mallet to insert the biscuits. Your thumb should be
enough. The biscuits, unless improperly stored, will swell a bit from the glue,
and if they're too tight, you'll get print-through on thinner (3/4" and down)
"If you want to know what God thinks of money, just look at the people he gave
it to. " Dorothy Parker
firstname.lastname@example.org (Charlie Self) wrote in message
You need to go over my message again. I said if you need FF, use a
5/32 3 wing slot cutter. I said buy Lamello and if you want to go
cheap make it a Makita is that clear? I didn't say Lamello was cheap
or cut FF slots, I know what they cost better than you do. Everbody on
this WW NG knows that biscuits swell. A lite tap with a mallet is
about the same as a thumb push, agreed. No matter how you say it
around there is always someone like you that will twist your words
around to try and make themselves look good. Nothing real informative,
just putting people down in general. fun huh?
You did list Lamello with "going cheap." I'm not exactly sure you "know better
than I do" what the Lamello costs, but what the hell. Maybe. Seems to me that
everyone who has looked the price up recently has a pretty fair idea of its
You think so? Don't bet on it.
Not for me it isn't. I don't know of anyone who uses a mallet to do what a push
with the thumb will be.
You do an excellent job of putting yourself down. No help needed.
"I am a marvelous housekeeper. Every time I leave a man I keep his house." Zsa
Not to say that you are wrong for your particular use of the technology, but
my take on the subject is different ... and I am not a big fan of biscuit
joinery in furniture, but I do like to match the joinery to the task.
IMO, biscuit joinery is NOT a precision operation at its highest level, even
with the Lamello, which I've tried. The 557 is much more than adequate for
the job, and the FF blade is quicker to set up than a slot cutter on a
router table, just as accurate, and a damn sight faster ... done it both
ways too many times to count, and I routinely use a slot cutter to cut
spline slots. And a biscuit that has to be tapped in with a mallet is much
too tight, IME.
Just glued up a small (12" x 28" x 1 1/4") table top this afternoon, used
#20 biscuits and the 557. The biscuits, with glue on them, were snug, but
could be pushed in by hand with the same resistance you feel on a well cut
mortise and tenon joint.
Just my experience/tuppence ...
On your last statement above about gluing up a 12" X 28" tabletop, did
you get acceptable alignment? you know that is one of the main
advantages of biscuits.
I am inclined to agree with you mostly about plate joiners, I have
tried them all and they will all do the job for sure to one degree or
another. At least I could get by with any of them. After trying them
all except Lamello which is just too much money, I prefer the Makita.
It has a number of significant advantages -FOR ME- over any of the
others and I can demonstrate the weak points in all of them. But, like
you say, it isn't exactly a science, sinking a slot. But, working with
a Makita is safer and more accurate. As far as biscuit fit goes, it is
a matter of preference and can be adjusted.
The biscuit joiner threads never seem to die on this newsgroup, they
go on and on. Maybe there should be WWW slot cutter newsgroup?
Sure did ... I have had a plate joiner for a good while, but rarely used it,
except for the ocassional FF biscuit "spline" in miter joints. A few weeks
back I glued up a pretty good size table top that I could tell from
experience was going to be problematic, used biscuits for alignment (for the
first time), and was impressed enough to do it again, above, even though I
was tempted to not bother on such a small top.
I am now a fan of biscuits for alignment in panel glue-ups ... took a long
time to come around, though.
As I said, I got the 557 more for the smaller FF blade than for anything
else, and thus far I've enjoyed using it ... never thought that would
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