What's up with price of solvents?

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On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:23:26 GMT, "Cyrille de Br้bisson"

[shrugs] I said *able*. Where I live, I'm (mostly) free to decide for myself what to do with my own money, even if I choose to indulge my greed.
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I didn't have to look at your headers to tell that you are not from the United States.

You should price your product so your production capacity meets demand. Otherwise you are just giving away money. You are certainly free to do that, but if you are a public corporation, you should be fired if you do that.
More profit also means you can expand capacity, therefore reducing your product cost long term while maximizing your profit.
Making money is not a bad word. Make all you can, life is short. If you are trying to make too much, someone else will come in and sell your widget for less. That is the beauty of capitalism.
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Locutus wrote:

BZZZZZZT! Wrong!
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So do you "not" have any money set aside for a rainy day or are you greedy?
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Leon wrote:

Did it not cross your mind that savings might have been included in that $100 price?
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So when does "savings" become "greed"? If you have savings you are obviously making more than you need right?
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That is the point I was trying to make. ;~) I'll take all that I can get but more than needed is not greed. IMHO greed is forcing your customers to pay more than they are comfortable with when your profit margin is high.
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Yeah. Like Big Pharma.
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Good example.
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Leon wrote:

How do you force a person to pay anything? Can't he just decide to not buy it, buy something else, or go somewhere else? Gees, I don't believe I was ever forced to buy anything. Have to pay lots of taxes if I want to own and live in my house though.
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Well that all depends on what your threshold is as to what you consider being forced is. If you drive an internal combustion powered vehicle you are probably being forced to pay more for the fuel than you did 2 years ago. Its all relative.
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Leon wrote:

Maybe it is just semantics, but people seem to get the idea that "have to do" something. So they don't even consider not doing it.
You get out on a long stretch of road with a nearly empty tank (stupid you) and the only gas station charges twice the going rate for gas. You still don't "have to" buy the gas. But it is probably the cheapest and best option. When people realize all things are an option, sometimes the desires change and may change for the better.
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Exactly,
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>> How do you force a person to pay anything? Can't he just decide to not >> buy it, buy something else, or go somewhere else? Gees, I don't believe I >> was ever forced to buy anything. Have to pay lots of taxes if I want to >> own and live in my house though.
Leon wrote: >Well that all depends on what your threshold is as to what you consider >being forced is. If you drive an internal combustion powered vehicle >you >are probably being forced to pay more for the fuel than you did 2 years >ago. >Its all relative.
One thing I haven't seen mentioned is that weather you think about fuel this way or not, the fact remains that it has become more than *just* a commodity - it is an otherwise unavailable, absolutely necessary (at this time) utility similar to electricity in respects. Our utility companies are heavily regulated and, at least in this state, have to ask the state regulators permission to raise prices. We the sheeple have no alternative to obtain electricity (other than those few who can do it with wind, etc) and we have no alternative to obtain fuel for our cars and trucks if we want to work. The difference is that the oil companies in concert with commodities investors, are the ones who set the price - and they want it as high as possible - as any profit-driven company would. We *have* to buy it at whatever price they set, and no way are the sheeple in this country are gonna band together and force (through boycotting, pressure on congress, etc) the price lower. And for those ethanol enthusiasts, the price of that I am led to believe is up somewhere over $3.00/gal and has its own problems, so that doesn't help. And as for the idiots across the big pond, they just accept, like we do here, whatever price is set by the oil companies. They just have a much higher tolerance for self-inflicted pain.
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One thing you miss here is the fact that "across the pond" the main contributor is not the price "the oil companies set", but the "price in taxes the government decrees". Taxes can make up to 75% of the cost of a gallon of gas in those countries.
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Mark & Juanita wrote: One thing you miss here is the fact that "across the pond" the main contributor is not the price "the oil companies set", but the "price in taxes the government decrees". Taxes can make up to 75% of the cost of a gallon of gas in those countries.
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Yes! I did miss that, and agree, although the point remains, the sheeple on that side of the pond seem happy as pigs in slop with their level of pain, and like us show no signs of revolt (at least about the price of gas). In fact, many of them just piss and moan about the U.S. not paying "a fair price" for fuel. Stupidity and timidity seem to be spreading...
I am convinced that if this had happened to an earlier generation here, and unless there was one hell of a good excuse, there would have been some hell to pay.
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Sailaway wrote:

They are also recipients of the benefits for which those taxes were intended.
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You need to read up on a seventy-year experiment in command economy in a country with natural resources of all sorts so abundant they still haven't been properly cataloged - which couldn't heat water for a shower, if there _were_ a shower, for the "sheeple".
Be careful of what you wish for.
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George wrote: You need to read up on a seventy-year experiment in command economy in a country with natural resources of all sorts so abundant they still haven't been properly cataloged - which couldn't heat water for a shower, if there _were_ a shower, for the "sheeple".
Be careful of what you wish for.
If you are referring to socialist/communist societies, that is not at all what I was getting at, George, nor is it what I wish for at all. What I was lamenting was the fact that we have a system in which free markets are a very good thing, but that some products that have gone beyond just being a luxury into being a necessity, have fostered such greed by the companies, that they have entered into collusion to force artificially usury-high prices on the public. I have no qualm at all with making a good honest profit, after all that is precisely what a business is in business to generate and rightly so. But if there were no shady deals going on I believe completely that we would not have had much if any higher price on any fuels due to the relatively small hike in price per barrel recently, and none at all during Katrina. There was simply no shortage here. Maybe in the Gulf region, but not here. Here in the Northeast during the Katrina aftermath, our fuel prices were going up daily, and even sometimes several times per day. Yet if you find out where our Northeastern oil supplies come from it would not be from the Gulf region. California's gas prices were even more out of control - do you think they get gas from the Gulf? NO. It was usury, pure and simple, to take advantage of Americans during a crisis. They did it again during both Gulf (that *other* gulf) wars. Sorta makes that economic terrorism, doesn't it?
So what my point was about our "sheeple" here, and in Europe, was that few are willing to do anything at all to force - through the marketplace, and through our government prosecuting the crimes that are committed according to Federal law, like with the Windfall Profits Tax Act which was enacted to prevent or punish for this very thing. That ain't socialism. Its just common sense and it protects the country, the economy, and us - the sheeple.
I apologize if I may be imprecise in my ability to get my argument across clearly, been running on little sleep for the last week.
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Before you lay this all at the feet of the "greedy" oil companies, you need to lay some of that blame on the so-called sheeple who are ready to jump at every whim of the environmental whackos, the NIMBY crowd, and other anti-growth, anti-capitalism crowd who have been responsible for assuring that no new refineries have been built in this country in the past 30 years, who are assuring that it is so costly and expensive to explore and drill for new oil, and who are shutting out entire oil fields for development. That same crowd is responsible in large part high prices due to the seasonal "cafe" blends of gasoline required by each and every large municipality and region. Which means that just because there is plenty of gas in one region, because of those blending requirements, it can't be shipped to a different region that has had its supply disrupted because a refinery has had to be shut down since the gas in region A doesn't meet the blend requirements of region B. Monopolies are bad, but effectively throttling growth via legislative and judicial fiat is just as bad and causes equivalent upsets.
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