On 14 May 2004 05:27:43 -0700, snipped-for-privacy@txstate.edu (Conan The Librarian) brought forth from the murky depths:
Nah, I stuck to alcoholism instead. I was much better at it and it was cheaper. ;)
OK, add that it is too soft, splits easily, and has too many knots. The smell gets old after awhile, too.
We keep our hummerditty LOW here, thanks. Despite the rain, the moisture is lower here than in LoCal. I am still needing to break out the chapstick several times a year up here.
Hey, who put that "d" in "averse" there? Why, I oughta...
I called it a West Coast Willow. Ants loved 'em.
So it wasn't you who added that "d", was it?
Huh? a -firewood- gloat? Hmmm...
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since you can't think of anything of substance to complain about, you bring up that I am a top poster?? That's about as lame a complaint as I've seen...next you'll be complaining if I end a question with more than one question mark. YOU are the idiot here, you lame moron. There. I feel better now! :)
I believe the question was...What is Living Trade? Only two respondents have made an effort to answer with any perspicacity, and they did well. So, what does that make the rest of you? daclark
D. A. Clark wrote: : I believe the question was...What is Living Trade? : Only two respondents have made an effort to answer with any : perspicacity, and they did well. So, what does that make the rest of : you?
People who understand that "living trade" is an odd, and incoherent, collocation of words.
Where on earth did you find the term "living trade"? It appears in no English discussion of the trades for the last several hundred years.
Is that so, professor? But, would you not use the term 'living trust' and expect to be understood? Have you read the posted premises, or are you merely shaking your willy, as if I'd misspelled a single word? Perhaps, you should not count yourself amongst the people who understand.
You make me laugh...yeah, I polled the search engines, too. Just because some computer twit hasn't assigned importance to the subject, that must mean it doesn't exist, right? And, heaven forbid, that a man might have original thought...but then, even Chippendale was only a plagarist. So, pardon me, if I don't believe you to be the last authority with your suppositions. Working wood or working words, no man is the master, we are apprentices all of our lives. If the uninterested and vain would only stop wasting space in this thread, we all might learn something. That is why I was here... daclark
On 14 May 2004 21:00:29 -0700, snipped-for-privacy@hotmail.com (D. A. Clark) brought forth from the murky depths:
Um, less perspicacious?
I sold my Chinese fiddle yesterday and picked up some QS red oak from the hardwood store today. $4.75/bf + $3.40/bf rift red.
I'll have to order QSW when I want it :( , but he doesn't force a large purchase and is OK with small quantities. $5/bf
Now to find some good ammonia and make that small A&C entertainment center.
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He who posts off-topic is the troll, that would be most of you. It is nice that Larry has bought himself some wood for a personal project, but that is not the topic. On the other hand, in visiting his website, I find a short dissertation of his personal feelings while working wood, and that would be part of the philosophy and psychology of living trade. Working wood evokes emotion, from the murky depths as Larry would say, of a man's being. Yet, that is not the whole story either, but rather, just tip to the iceberg. There are global implications to what most of you treat as mere hobby, spending countless hours and dollars for very little result. Answer this, if you have any understanding...what could be the underlying purpose of man's emotional response? Why do men work wood, whether they are paid to do so or not? daclark
as I see it, you started a thread that was almost, but not quite completely off topic, framed it in such a way as to ensure few would figure WTF the question was, defined terms in such a way as to obfuscate the point and jumped on anybody who pointed this out.
looks like a duck, waddles like a duck, quacks....
why does anyone do anything?
it's a part of being social mammals. it's about communication, on a level somewhere a bit deeper than language. it keeps us from killing and eating our young, which is a good thing for social mammals. it's wired in deep, man, so deep that it's really difficult to analyze what it is and why it's there, especially using cognitive functions that are "higher" than emotional response...
it's also WAAAAY off topic for this forum.....
the working of wood is one of our base technologies. like weaving, cooking food and making maps it is something that must be developed in order to build a complex civilization. why do we do that? beats me, but we sure do...
being a base technology, we will return to it time and again. it sits there in our subconscious and feeds our minds principles and metaphors that show up in diverse and seemingly unrelated endeavors. while we are not without alternatives to wood for materials with which to construct the acouterments of this complex civilization that we have built for ourselves, wood appeals to us on a number of levels. it's a material used by our ancestors, and humans are nothing if not suckers for sentimentality. it's also a pretty good material for lots of things. it has a sweet strength to weight ratio. it has failure modes that are fairly predictable. coming from a living thing it gives us a connection to nature. it's easily worked with fairly simple tools.
people like making things. we're just wired that way. it comes from walking upright and having hands with opposable thumbs. we do it for pay because there exists considerable demand for things made by people with specific skills. such is the nature of complex civilizations. we do it for recreation because whatever we do for pay provides insufficient stimulation to that part of our psyches that runs on the principles and metaphors of woodworking.
For one thing: Regular newsgroup contributors, unlike you.
What you don't seem to comprehend is that aside from the entertainment value we get from seeing your arrogant posturing, you have added nothing whatsoever to this group. In fact, it appears that despite your stratospheric IQ, you have failed to grasp a very simple concept: This is a newsgroup frequented by mostly recreational woodworkers (note the presence of "rec" in the group name) who have formed a community of sorts. We discuss everything from joinery, properties of wood, tool techniques and design elements to sports, fishing, adult beverages, etc.
In short, we're a bit like any gathering of guys at a bar or party. And your entrance into the group is similar to someone barging into the middle of a party uninvited and hollering, "hey, look at me ... I'm smarter than you, and I don't care what you're talking about, you should all discuss what interests me". Now given that scenario, what kind of response would you really expect?
I can't say that I mind the smell, and you just have to pick your boards carefully to avoid knots. As for it being soft and splitting easily, that's true with most of what you can buy at your local Borg, but I have had the pleasure of working some stuff (guato pine) that is as hard as dense as many hardwoods. This stuff in particular had outstanding working properties (as well as a bit of figure):
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I don't know what you use for firewood now that you're up in Oregon, but down here, a 4' section of mesquite log with a 24" diameter is considered worth saving. In fact, some folks might even try to make something out of it:
Is it the right time to poll for a splinter group of rec.woodworking.philosophy? (d&r)
Back in the days of Paully Rad fillyscoffical chats were de rigueur; design, trade, the golden section/mean/string, Fibonacci ratios and Roman design influences were not uncommon. Generally, we welcome any discussion that *adds* to the understanding of our hobby. Certainly most prefer it to some of the wildly off-beat topics that creep in from time to time, and highbrow discussions are great - provided they are not conducted in a monobrow manner.
I can't say that I mind the smell, and you just have to pick your boards carefully to avoid knots. As for it being soft and splitting easily, that's true with most of what you can buy at your local Borg, but I have had the pleasure of working some stuff (guato pine) that is as hard as dense as many hardwoods. This stuff in particular had outstanding working properties (as well as a bit of figure):
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I don't know what you use for firewood now that you're up in Oregon, but down here, a 4' section of mesquite log with a 24" diameter is considered worth saving. In fact, some folks might even try to make something out of it:
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