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I haven't changed anything in my posting process, been doing it the same for the past few years. Does it show up in either of the other two groups or is it just rec.puzzles? I can see my post on my reader and also at Google groups, not sure why it's not getting picked up by your news server.
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On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 17:42:04 -0400

I've been using eternal-september.org since my provider dropped usenet... Your initial post hasn't been coming through for several weeks now, maybe months. It is either being deleted due to some sort of content problem by ETO or your news provider isn't in the loop that they check in with. If this post is using the same provider, then there must be something about your initial post that ETO doesn't like...
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On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 16:00:24 -0400, Leon Fisk wrote:

Im using eternal-september.org as my supplier and its always in rec.puzzles each week so it is there must be something else, Heres a thought some news readers hide multi-cross posted articles maybe its that?. just anothe thing to check.
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    Hmm ... is the date on his computer wrong? Most news servers are configured to automatically drop articles too old, or too far in the future (say over 24 hours to allow for international date line differences). So -- either could be what is happening to his articles. And, it can be set up differently on different newsgroups within the same server. (Common to set the expire time short on particularly busy newsgroups.)
    Enjoy,         DoN.
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"DoN. Nichols" wrote:

Giganews has this group back to 2003, and you can still reply to old messages.
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    Yes -- there are exceptions which have *no* expiration, and as a result have many terabytes of disk backing up all of the information. DejaNews was the first of these, and Google acquired them back in 2001.
    But most news servers are somewhat more selective about what they keep. I ran one at home for several years, until my then ISP discontinued newsfeeds, and shortly after shut down it's news server too. I had the expire time on different newsgroups set differently. Some (e.g. rec.crafts.metalworking) I tried to keep 30 days of, many only about two or three days, and I received only a small percentage of the newsgroups then present. (Including only two or three alt groups, IIRC.) At the time I lost the newsfeed, the daily flow was three or four times the bandwidth of my T1 connection, so even if I had the disk space, I did not have the bandwidth. (And I also did not have any computers fast enough to handle a news server with a full feed anyway. :-)
    At the time, most news servers were run as a benefit to the employees of many companies -- or by college computing centers. Neither had the money to put into a full archive of a full newsfeed.
    Enjoy,         DoN.
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"DoN. Nichols" wrote:

I was considering a local news server, just for the groups I read to speed up my access, and to prefilter the trash. That way I only need to maintain the filters on one system, instead of whatever computer I'm using at the time. I can also try different news clients to see if I can find anything I like better than Netscape 4.80 without bothering with creating filters for each program. I have a couple old Dell servers sitting in the corner, and one is rack mount.

Can you imagine the bandwidth that Giganews needs, and the storage requirements, since the binaries groups are kept for six months?
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I apologize for filling this part of cyberspace with off-topic stuff.
I conclude that there is a problem with the news server: news.eternal-september.org
This is a free news server. I moved to it when my old ISP 'improved' service by dropping newsgroups. I guess that they have messed up their spam filtering, and are dropping RH's initial posts and possibly the first few replies. I see the same (partial) postings on metalworking and woodworking on that server, so it is not specific-group or cross-posting related. My machine and clock are OK, and things were working fine until a few weeks ago.
As it is a freebie, I have no leverage to nag them to fix the problem.
Again, sorry for the off-topic clutter.
Thanks for the advice on the problem, and continued thanks to RH.
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On 7/31/11 6:22 AM, Alexander Thesoso wrote:

eternal-september is working just fine, I use it and Rob's posts show up every week just fine. Looking at your headers it appears we have almost an identical setup, Win7/64bit with thunderbird pulling from e-s, I suspect the problem is local to you, maybe a stray filer that is catching more that it is supposed to?
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    I'm using newsguy.com and am quite pleased with their (non-free) service.

    Perhaps they are killing anything cross-posted (as his start out), or perhaps they simply have a very short expire time (sub 1 day), so by the time you get to it, his postings and the early replies have already expired.
    Note that the "eternal-september" does not fill an old usenet user with comfort. I don't know whether you know the origin, but if not (or if other do not) it came from the earlier condition of most news servers either being on systems connected to government contractors (though usenet itself was at first spread via UUCP and modem, not ARPAnet or the internet when it came into being), or associated with schools.
    The contractors had a fairly stable base of people so they rather quickly learned "netequette" and became good "netizens". However, every September, the schools had a new influx of freshmen, who dived into posting without taking time to learn the normal practices. It took a while to beat them into submission, after which things were fine until the next September brought in a new flood.
    Then -- AOL started carrying usenet newsgroups for their subscribers, and the number of subscribers were a continuously growing flood (thus an "eternal September"), and it became a lost cause trying to convince people that netequette rules were good things to follow. Then they started posting in HTML and the end was there. AOL has since dropped usenet totally (as have quite a few other ISPs -- probably because of the offenses that their users were constantly committing), but others have come in to replace them.
    Then comes a place which actually *calls* itself "eternal-september". :-(

    Probably they turned the expire time down to deal with the growing number of binaries in other newsgroups. (Plus, if I were not following rec.crafts.metalworking, and were a news admin, I would probably turn down the expire time on rec.crafts.metalworking anyway, because of all the politics and other off-topic and flame-war inducing topics. :-)

    Go to a paid news server. As I said before, I am happy with newsguy.com (check them out at http://www.newsguy.com , and you can select to read via a web interface, or a newsreader, and they even offer a Windows-oriented newsreader for free called "DRN". The service which I get is $9.95/month, or $99.00/year, and IIRC they even have less expensive ones. Total monthly bandwidth is a function of the level of service you select. I never use all that I pay for -- and they keep adding more bandwidth for long time users, so I have over 2 TB of unused bandwidth rolling over every month. :-)

    Good Luck,         DoN.
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But the growth of web-based forums, Facebook, and other such places have resulted in the "eternal" September of 1993 ending, at least for Usenet. Perhaps some Internet historian will eventually fix a date for the end.

It's an in-joke, not a slur on its users (including myself).
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    Sounds good. All you need is to find a news feed for a selected number of newsgroups. (Or set up one of those download the full newsgroup from your server and then apply the filters programs -- assuming that your server allows such.)

    I can imagine that *I* am glad to not be paying for that. A single T1 is already too expensive. :-)
    I remember the alt newsgroups used to be described as "Gigabytes of copyright violations". (Terrabytes now? :-)
    Enjoy,         DoN.
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"DoN. Nichols" wrote:

Earthlink only allows a partial header download, which requires the whole messages to be downloaded for proper filtering, anyway. I planned on downloading the few groups I read (~217) of which most only have a few posts a week, or month. Then filter the spool into a second file that is availible as a local news server. I have plenty of old hardware laying around that will run a lightweight Linux OS and the required software. I have a lot of 1 to 10 GB hard drives that no one seems to need, so I can use a pile in a RAID.

I get a better rate on broadband cable. Around 1.5 Mb up, and 8 Mb down for $50 a month.

To paraphrase Carl Sagan: Billions and Billions of Gigabytes. ;-)
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    O.K.
    Again O.K. Mostly the power cost of running say 7 10 GB drives instead of a more modern 1 TB SATA drive. (Against the cost of adding a SATA host interface to the linux box. :-)
    [ ... ]

    But since I also host some web sites, the asymmetrical rates are a problem, as well as the lack of static IPs. (At least I presume that you can't get static IPs. :-)
    Enjoy,         DoN.
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"DoN. Nichols" wrote:

It doesn't have to run 24/7. Just when I want to update the newsgroups. Then I can load them to my computer to read off line if I want to shut it back down.

I can, but it costs extra. It's cheaper for me to pay $6 a month to an external hosting service.
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On 7/30/11 4:00 PM, Leon Fisk wrote:

I use eternal september org, too, and I've been missing RH's initial posts for several weeks. I see we use different news readers, so that's not the source of the problem.
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On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 06:11:57 -0400, Alexander Thesoso

But you are seeing it in another group? If so, did you recently subscribe to either rec.crafts.metalworking or rec.woodworking? Or rearrange the order of the groups in your news reader? Or simply change the order you read them in? Up graded your news reader?
Many news readers hide cross posted articles in all but one group, exactly how they go about doing this differs. Unexpected behavior like this has a habit of biting you in the be-hind:)
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2307 - one of my first thoughts was it was for scribing and/or cutting F notes on something like a cello - a function in mass producing cellos or the like? Down the middle are 2 tracks. The scribing unit woud be placed on each track, in turn, and runs down each track for each side, and the F notes would be evenly spaced/symetrical. ... Or some similar function.
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I thought I had replied to this thread, but it's not showing. Nothing new has shown, for me, for any topic since the 29th, which I think is wrong.... I would suppose, by now, Rob has posted the answers. I'm not sure why newer posts/replies are not showing for me. Anyway, this is more a test, than a reply. Maybe this will update my link or prompt me to re-sign in, in order to engage in,/have access to updated posts. Nothing else I've tried seems to be working.
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Sonny wrote:

I never got the answers either. I looked again through all of the messages the NewsGuy server sent me. It wasn't there.
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