I haven't changed anything in my posting process, been doing it the same for
the past few years. Does it show up in either of the other two groups or is
it just rec.puzzles? I can see my post on my reader and also at Google
groups, not sure why it's not getting picked up by your news server.
I've been using eternal-september.org since my provider dropped
usenet... Your initial post hasn't been coming through for several weeks
now, maybe months. It is either being deleted due to some sort of
content problem by ETO or your news provider isn't in the loop that
they check in with. If this post is using the same provider, then there
must be something about your initial post that ETO doesn't like...
On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 16:00:24 -0400, Leon Fisk wrote:
Im using eternal-september.org as my supplier and its always in rec.puzzles
each week so it is there must be something else, Heres a thought some news
readers hide multi-cross posted articles maybe its that?.
just anothe thing to check.
Hmm ... is the date on his computer wrong? Most news servers
are configured to automatically drop articles too old, or too far in the
future (say over 24 hours to allow for international date line
differences). So -- either could be what is happening to his articles.
And, it can be set up differently on different newsgroups within the
same server. (Common to set the expire time short on particularly busy
Yes -- there are exceptions which have *no* expiration, and as a
result have many terabytes of disk backing up all of the information.
DejaNews was the first of these, and Google acquired them back in 2001.
But most news servers are somewhat more selective about what
they keep. I ran one at home for several years, until my then ISP
discontinued newsfeeds, and shortly after shut down it's news server
too. I had the expire time on different newsgroups set differently.
Some (e.g. rec.crafts.metalworking) I tried to keep 30 days of, many
only about two or three days, and I received only a small percentage of
the newsgroups then present. (Including only two or three alt groups,
IIRC.) At the time I lost the newsfeed, the daily flow was three or
four times the bandwidth of my T1 connection, so even if I had the disk
space, I did not have the bandwidth. (And I also did not have any
computers fast enough to handle a news server with a full feed anyway.
At the time, most news servers were run as a benefit to the
employees of many companies -- or by college computing centers. Neither
had the money to put into a full archive of a full newsfeed.
I was considering a local news server, just for the groups I read to
speed up my access, and to prefilter the trash. That way I only need to
maintain the filters on one system, instead of whatever computer I'm
using at the time. I can also try different news clients to see if I
can find anything I like better than Netscape 4.80 without bothering
with creating filters for each program. I have a couple old Dell
servers sitting in the corner, and one is rack mount.
Can you imagine the bandwidth that Giganews needs, and the storage
requirements, since the binaries groups are kept for six months?
It's easy to think outside the box, when you have a cutting torch.
I apologize for filling this part of cyberspace with off-topic stuff.
I conclude that there is a problem with the news server:
This is a free news server. I moved to it when my old ISP 'improved'
service by dropping newsgroups.
I guess that they have messed up their spam filtering, and are dropping
RH's initial posts and possibly the first few replies.
I see the same (partial) postings on metalworking and woodworking on
that server, so it is not specific-group or cross-posting related.
My machine and clock are OK, and things were working fine until a few
As it is a freebie, I have no leverage to nag them to fix the problem.
Again, sorry for the off-topic clutter.
Thanks for the advice on the problem, and continued thanks to RH.
eternal-september is working just fine, I use it and Rob's posts show up
every week just fine. Looking at your headers it appears we have almost
an identical setup, Win7/64bit with thunderbird pulling from e-s, I
suspect the problem is local to you, maybe a stray filer that is
catching more that it is supposed to?
The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.
I'm using newsguy.com and am quite pleased with their (non-free)
Perhaps they are killing anything cross-posted (as his start
out), or perhaps they simply have a very short expire time (sub 1 day),
so by the time you get to it, his postings and the early replies have
Note that the "eternal-september" does not fill an old usenet
user with comfort. I don't know whether you know the origin, but if not
(or if other do not) it came from the earlier condition of most news
servers either being on systems connected to government contractors
(though usenet itself was at first spread via UUCP and modem, not
ARPAnet or the internet when it came into being), or associated with
The contractors had a fairly stable base of people so they
rather quickly learned "netequette" and became good "netizens".
However, every September, the schools had a new influx of freshmen, who
dived into posting without taking time to learn the normal practices.
It took a while to beat them into submission, after which things were
fine until the next September brought in a new flood.
Then -- AOL started carrying usenet newsgroups for their
subscribers, and the number of subscribers were a continuously growing
flood (thus an "eternal September"), and it became a lost cause trying
to convince people that netequette rules were good things to follow.
Then they started posting in HTML and the end was there. AOL has since
dropped usenet totally (as have quite a few other ISPs -- probably
because of the offenses that their users were constantly committing),
but others have come in to replace them.
Then comes a place which actually *calls* itself
Probably they turned the expire time down to deal with the
growing number of binaries in other newsgroups. (Plus, if I were not
following rec.crafts.metalworking, and were a news admin, I would
probably turn down the expire time on rec.crafts.metalworking anyway,
because of all the politics and other off-topic and flame-war inducing
Go to a paid news server. As I said before, I am happy with
newsguy.com (check them out at http://www.newsguy.com , and you can
select to read via a web interface, or a newsreader, and they even offer
a Windows-oriented newsreader for free called "DRN". The service which
I get is $9.95/month, or $99.00/year, and IIRC they even have less
expensive ones. Total monthly bandwidth is a function of the level of
service you select. I never use all that I pay for -- and they keep
adding more bandwidth for long time users, so I have over 2 TB of unused
bandwidth rolling over every month. :-)
But the growth of web-based forums, Facebook, and other such places
have resulted in the "eternal" September of 1993 ending, at least for Usenet.
Perhaps some Internet historian will eventually fix a date for the end.
It's an in-joke, not a slur on its users (including myself).
The problem with socialism is there's always
someone with less ability and more need.
Sounds good. All you need is to find a news feed for a selected
number of newsgroups. (Or set up one of those download the full
newsgroup from your server and then apply the filters programs --
assuming that your server allows such.)
I can imagine that *I* am glad to not be paying for that. A
single T1 is already too expensive. :-)
I remember the alt newsgroups used to be described as "Gigabytes
of copyright violations". (Terrabytes now? :-)
Earthlink only allows a partial header download, which requires the
whole messages to be downloaded for proper filtering, anyway. I planned
on downloading the few groups I read (~217) of which most only have a
few posts a week, or month. Then filter the spool into a second file
that is availible as a local news server. I have plenty of old hardware
laying around that will run a lightweight Linux OS and the required
software. I have a lot of 1 to 10 GB hard drives that no one seems to
need, so I can use a pile in a RAID.
I get a better rate on broadband cable. Around 1.5 Mb up, and 8 Mb
down for $50 a month.
To paraphrase Carl Sagan: Billions and Billions of Gigabytes. ;-)
It's easy to think outside the box, when you have a cutting torch.
On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 06:11:57 -0400, Alexander Thesoso
But you are seeing it in another group? If so, did you recently subscribe to
either rec.crafts.metalworking or rec.woodworking? Or rearrange the order of
the groups in your news reader? Or simply change the order you read them in? Up
graded your news reader?
Many news readers hide cross posted articles in all but one group, exactly how
they go about doing this differs. Unexpected behavior like this has a habit of
biting you in the be-hind:)
2307 - one of my first thoughts was it was for scribing and/or cutting
F notes on something like a cello - a function in mass producing
cellos or the like? Down the middle are 2 tracks. The scribing unit
woud be placed on each track, in turn, and runs down each track for
each side, and the F notes would be evenly spaced/symetrical. ... Or
some similar function.
I thought I had replied to this thread, but it's not showing. Nothing
new has shown, for me, for any topic since the 29th, which I think is
wrong.... I would suppose, by now, Rob has posted the answers. I'm
not sure why newer posts/replies are not showing for me. Anyway, this
is more a test, than a reply. Maybe this will update my link or
prompt me to re-sign in, in order to engage in,/have access to updated
posts. Nothing else I've tried seems to be working.
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