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Robatoy wrote:

personal problem. You mean to tell me a president would have something to do with your self esteem?
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evodawg wrote:

Regrettably, for many, their sense of self-worth depends entirely on the approbation of others. For the unfortunate many, their goal is to be loved by as many as possible. The degree to which the rest of the world holds us in esteem is more important than virtually anything else.
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"-MIKE-" wrote:

The right to look in the mirror each morning and be proud to be an American rather than to be discusted at doing nothing to try to stop what happened from 2000 thru 2008.
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Lew Hodgett wrote:

Don't see that one in the Constitution either. I hope you still have all your constitutional rights, eight years from now.
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Lew Hodgett wrote:

me. Lets see how you feel in 4 years, unless of course youre married to this guy... Id rather have big business, then big Government
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Lew Hodgett wrote:

That is one of the most asinine statements that the left mutters. What exactly made things so bad from 2000 to 2008? The fact you got to keep more of your money instead of paying it in taxes? EVERYBODY got a tax cut, not just the wealthy few despite the continued mouthings of the left to the contrary. The fact that the US actually took the fight to terrorists and terrorist supporting countries after 40 years of letting crap happen and then issuing strongly worded condemnations? The fact that the US had the lowest unemployment rates in history during that time, dipping below the 5% that was considered to be full employment? The fact that the US economy recovered spectacularly following 9/11 despite the shock upon our financial system?
Or was it simply the fact that France hated the US during that time? Hint: they still ain't happy with us despite the fact that The One was elected.
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I just love your quotes from Apologists Weekly.
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Mark & Juanita wrote:

Hmm, I was in San Jose debugging silicon for a cable modem and working with a bunch of H1B types from south Asia when Chairman Greenspan announced his intention to "cool the tech sector". Over the next month I watched more than 2500 newly incomeless families move out of my apartment complex before I joined them.
It was a bit wrenching for the H1B folks too, they had to take their jobs back to New Delhi and Mumbai where they worked harder and for less, but /they/ had the jobs and we did not.
Suggested research: who voted for the legislation that allowed US companies to replace currently employed Americans with less qualified (but much cheaper) Asians?

You may not have noticed, but those tax cuts didn't do much for the folks whose jobs went swimming across the Pacific. Of course, neither did we pay taxes on no income.

A masterful stroke that. An invasion plan without a success contingency. We succeeded in cutting the European petroleum supply by something like 20%, which trashed European economies and resulted in making the Europeans dependent on Gazprom (but it did produce a windfall in wealth and clout for the Russian Federation) which persists to this day.
On the grounds that it was a US theater of action, we closed the door to European (and other) countries who wanted to help with the much-needed reconstruction, and handed out non-competitive construction contracts to US firms with close ties to top administration officials.
AIUI, Baghdad /still/ doesn't have electricity and a working water supply 24/7, and the US has managed to kill many times more innocents than Al Qaida. Which reminds me to ask: "Where /is/ Osama Bin Laden days? Will he be vacationing in the Swat Valley area?"
I wish you could tell me (and I could believe) that what we did has put an end to "letting crap happen". AFAICT, we just stirred it around and, in the process, got a lot on ourselves.

Super-size that, sir?

Did you notice how many Yuan that took? Spectacular, indeed!

If the French came to hate us, it was /after/ October 2001. I suspect that if they caused /our/ petroleum supply to drop by as much as we caused theirs to drop, we wouldn't be very happy with them (or with paying a /lot/ more than $4/gallon for gas).
Awfully unreasonable of them, don't you think?
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Why should an employer not be able to hire whomever he pleases, at whatever rate is agreeable to both employer and employee?
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On May 2, 8:09am, snipped-for-privacy@milmac.com (Doug Miller) wrote:

When it bankrupts a nation, you dumb fuck.
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Morris Dovey wrote:

I suggest there are many reasons for economic malaise in Europe OTHER than oil. Oil is fungible. If the frogs can't get it from Iraq, they can get it elsewhere. Please note that the biggest run-up in oil prices in the past decade took place AFTER the business in Iraq was settled.
Secondly, most of the oil France WAS getting from Iraq was the result of corruption, theft, circumvention and diversions in violation of the UN Oil-for-food program. The French are perfidious and, if they got screwed in the deal, they got what they deserved.

So what? To the victor belongs the spoils. The Euro-weenies didn't help with the war (Britan excepted).

Power availability in Baghdad is far greater, today, than it was under Hussein. And this mantra about "Where's Waldo" is a favorite cry of the left.
Pay attention.
It is not now, nor has it ever been, a goal of the United States to capture Osama ben Laden.
If OBL ends up dead, that's a plus, but it is not a strategy nor even a tactic in the war on terror. Within a week or so after 9-11, the goals of the war on terror crystallized around destroying the ability of terrorists to hurt us. To that end, tactics were devised to incapacitate terrorist funding, training, areas of sanctuary, communications, and travel. To those ends, we have been spectacularly successful.
In the decade before 9-11, there was about one attack per year on U.S. interests: The first WTC bombing, the USS Cole, embassy bombings, diplomat kidnappings, etc. Since 9-11, there has been not one attack on U.S. interests or on the U.S. itself.
The fact that OBL is still on the loose is almost irrelevant.

Yep. Two wars, 9-11, Katrina, all cost beacoup bucks. Deficits under Bush skyrocketed, reaching $400 billion during his last year. These deficits, however, pale into insignificance compared to the Obama scheme. The deficit of the FIRST WEEK of the Obama administration is greater than those of all eight Bush years combined!

I am indifferent in the extreme to the feelings of the French.
For about eight years, France got a skate on oil prices due to fraud, deceit, bribes, corruption, and everything evil. That they had to finally pay retail is not, in my estimation, an affront to normal sensibilities.
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HeyBub wrote:

...was as far as I needed to read to realize that you have nothing credible to say to me - nor to anyone who believes in "Liberty and Justice for all".
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And Spain, Italy, Slovakia, Lithuania, Romania, Estonia, Czech Republic, Albania, Bulgaria, Bosnia, Latvia, Norway, Hungary, Netherlands, Portugal, Poland, Ukraine. Then there's Iceland (two whole troops, and I'm not sure you would include them in "Euro-weenies". -- Doug
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Morris Dovey wrote:

Since when is any of this the business of government?

Then why did the real average income of the US worker grow during these years (as they did on Clinton, Bush 41, and Reagan before)? Peering through a microscope tends to obscure the larger picture here.
It seems likely that this trend of rising real income will stop with our current President.

Ever see a war that went according to plan? (Read Von Clausewitz.)

The European economies were well on their way to being trashed courtesy of they addiction to socialism ... much like the current idiot in office here.

Are you arguing this was intentional?

Here we agree. Then again, this has almost always been the case in post-war reconstruction, it's merely a matter of degree. Hardly uniquely a W problem. But just wait till you see what the current swine in congress have in store. They're setting up to do much the same thing with their phony environmental and energy programs which will made fools like Gore very wealthy. It's the same old cronyism, just from the other party.

So the only justification for going to war would have been to kill Bin Laden? We fail or succeed on the basis of single person being taken out? Breathtaking.

No, we did something that the Islamists had never seen before: We took the fight to them, on their turf, on our terms. It scared a good many of them into acting better. Witness the phone call from Quadaffi to Berluscone shortly after the Iraq invasion and Libya's subsequent rehabilitation. I'd say you have a very simple understanding of the region, dynamics, and consequences of this war. Then again, so do most Americans given the journalistic malpractice that has been performed for eight years.

A stupid public gets stupid results. At no time during W's time in office did I, or anyone I know (from teenage to retirement age) work in a job like this ... and I travel a bunch and meet plenty of people. But you're going to see *lots* of this in the upcoming years as the ObamaMessiah and his drooling acolytes systematically destroy the capitalist engine that creates real wealth.

I think you vastly misunderstand global economies.

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Tim Daneliuk wrote:

An excellent question - worth looking into and worthy of thoughtful consideration.

You may have seen that in Illinois - but I didn't see it next door here in Iowa.
At this point I have to wonder if a mortgage broker is a "worker"...

I'll stick my neck out and opine that a great many trends were impacted by a financial system based on false premise and empty promise.
I'll resist the impulse to quibble over "real".

Would you care to project what /any/ of the great strategists would say about any plan that made no provision for victory?

A non-sequitur. They may have been, but that removes neither the causality nor the effect of US actions.

I wasn't but, since you make intention a part of the picture, I'm now inclined to wonder just how palsy-walsy George and Vlad really were...

I may agree with you - but not until I've seen the results and considered the full context (which hasn't yet played out).
It may, indeed, be the same old cronyism - but I'll encourage you to remember that /you/ bear the cost, regardless of who practices it.

That's what I thought. It makes about as much sense as going to war to kill Saddam Hussein. Actually, I think it may make /more/ sense.

My very simple understanding is probably a consequence of having lived in the mideast for only ten years. Perhaps if I'd been there longer I might have developed different understandings more like yours - but I seriously doubt it.

I have seen what you say you have not. I'm inclined to believe that you either weren't paying adequate attention or exercised selective vision.

That's certainly a possibility - but I do make a point of informing myself as best I can and drawing my conclusions from that information. When the available information is BS, I adjust the conclusions.
The BS factor has been excessively high for too many years, and whether the Obama administration has a good recovery strategy or not, we'll all be experiencing the consequences of that failure of integrity for quite a while.
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Yes. Indeed. The police were kept intact. Civilian and political order were restored. Industrial capacity etc were brought back. Something like the Marshall plan.
In Iraq? The political and civilian authorities disappeared. There was no control over the people anymore whatsoever. Ammunition dumps were unguarded. People were thrown out of jobs with their former employers. On top of the inability of the B administration to get the very, VERY diverse political streams cooperating. No wonder with religious, as well as ethnic rivalries like shiites and sunnis and kurds, ottomans, arabs all vying for maximum power they ever had as individual (and probably murderous) groups.
Until the fictitious entity Iraq organizes itself as something where each groups has enough say to its own satisfaction, there won't be peace unless imposed upon by some organization (either the US or NATO or the baathists (spelling?)).
Next time, please remember that in order to be victor, you either need to utterly destroy everything and all, or you have to have both a governmental structure and a rebuilding effort to appease the locals.
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other provider, Be it telephone, internet, or any other way of ease dropping they wanted. And it was not just only all US - overseas. Next is their ability to deny your rights to due process if they "think" or want to label you as a terrorist, doesn't matter if you are or not, just what they want to say you are to be able to restrain you CC
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CC wrote:

For the sake of debate, I'll stipulate that these "rights" have been been denied you.
Obama has been in office with a Democratic controlled House and Senate for over 100 days.
Have these rights been returned to you?
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-MIKE- wrote:

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CC wrote:

Not according to the Supreme Court.
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