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todd wrote:

Could be true but you would have to ignore the massive effects of cargo ships of Obama money headed for ACORN and getting 200% of the people voting for Obama and his socialist horde. Right now, Obama could probably get away with not knowing how many states are in the US, or even going to foreign soil and apologizing for being a US citizen, assuming he is one, of course.
As it stands, the socialists are in control of voter fraud, the media and the government. Won't be too long before rich Canucks will have to slip into Russia for decent medical care, and seems little the once free individual can do about it.
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And in what way is that different than Bush money being shoveled by the coffin-full to KBR/Halliburton and other fat-cat oil companies in order to get campaign contributions so they can skew the vote? ACORN is nothing compared to what happened in Florida in 2000. There the vote was skewed by denying people to vote, not messing with the registration numbers.
BTW, Jack, this is all you're getting from me on this. Have a nice day.
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Robatoy wrote:

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Robatoy wrote:

Sigh.
* KBR and Halliburton are not oil companies. * Oil companies - or any corporation for that matter - may not make campaign contributions. * Bush won Florida in 2000 by some 500-odd votes; Acorn is responsible for many tens of thousands. * Vote denial in Florida was never litigated. The controversy was over the counting of the votes.
Your objections fit the narrative but not the facts.
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The controversy was over the fact that many thousands were denied the right to vote because of convenient purging of the voter lists which cost the Dems WAY more than those 500 votes. IOW, fraud. The concept being discussed is fraudulent votes, which ACORN is accused of orchestrating (maybe accurately accused of doing) The fact it was never litigated doesn't mean it didn't happen, just like the fact that Bush hasn't been convicted of war crimes doesn't exonerate him of being a war criminal.

Ahhh yes, facts, a Repuglican specialty. (When it suits them..you know, the situational kind.. like their ethics and morals.)
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Robatoy wrote:

There was purging of the voter rolls in Florida and as many as 100,000 names were removed from the voter registration lists. The main reason for the removal was a prior felony conviction (felons could not vote in Florida in 2000). Of course this cut down on the Democratic vote tremendously.
As I recall, a commission was convened to examine this issue (among others). The commission could not verify that a single eligible voter had been denied an opportunity to vote, though they did find one woman who had been purged from the rolls but was able to vote in her new precinct (she had registered twice).

That's the way the adversarial system works: you promote your side, I'll promote mine, your put forth your facts, I'll show my truths, and we'll let fair-minded folks make a judgement.
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Robatoy wrote:

I guess that was the same as Clinton money being shoveled by the coffin full and awarding no-bid contracts to Halliburton to continue its work in the Balkans, but has little to do with ACORN being publicly funded by left wingers and purposely stuffing the ballot box to elect nothing but democrats.

Thats pretty funny. The democrats stuff the ballot box with phony ballots, greedily trying punch out 10 ballots at a time, and leave hanging chads on the last few, so they are not counted. Of course, since only the democrats are cheating like this, it's only democrats that have hanging chads... Then, they bitch the hanging chad, fake ballots were not counted... Only a socialist democrat has balls large enough to try that. They fixed the problem though, no more hanging chads, we vote electronically. Good thing we don't do the purple thumb thing, or democrats would be sporting 10 purple thumbs.

BTW Robocop, I thought you said you plonked me? I guess you were just talking out your ass, as usual? I could care less what kind of day you have.
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[snipped the usual Steinian fishing exploits]
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Robatoy wrote:

No need to fish, the fish are jumping in the boat.
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...... An empty fishing boat slowly floats to the shore. After it beaches, Jack Stein climbs out.
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Jack Stein wrote:

You're probably referring to Obama claiming there were 57 states. In his defense, there WERE 57 venues that got to vote in the Democratic Convention. They were:
* The 50 states, of course, * The District of Columbia, * Guam, * Puerto Rico, * The U.S. Virgin Islands, * The Dutchy of Grand Fenwick, * Patagonia. and * Rhodesia.
Chicago residents got to vote twice, and U.S. citizens abroad (unless they were in the military) voted with their home states.
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HeyBub wrote:

Yeah, no other president has ever claimed there were 57 states, not counting Alaska and Hawaii.

Counting on all my fingers and toes, and listening to his words, doing some high level math... 57 plus 2.... 57 plus 2.... hmmmm.... BINGO 59. I stand corrected, he actually, if I got the math right, claimed 59 states. Letterman can't seem to find any humor in that, so maybe there really are 59 states... who really knows...

No, that would be 57 states, not counting Alaska and Hawaii. See above for the math... 59

Plus 7 states that are not states, that would be....59 plus 7 non-states.... 66 states would be what he thinks, based on his words, and adding your words...

There were a number of voting districts that had more people vote than were registered to vote. This could be a problem if the mass media ever figures out something is wrong here. I suspect, the democrats will need to be more careful when stuffing ballots. 120% of the voters voting is not particularly smart. ACORN will need to get more than 76 registrations from each democrat voter or things could get messy.
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-MIKE- wrote:

Have they put up the video of him now saying that he really thinks some people shouldn't own homes, that was a Republican idea -- he supported affordable quality rental housing all along?
If nothing else, you've got to give the little hypocrite credit for audacity. Of course, with the main stream media being so far in the tank for these guys, he's pretty much able to tell whatever lies he wishes, "journalists" aren't going to bother to do any fact-checking
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Mark & Juanita wrote:

Wasn't that one of his books, "The Audacity Of Hype"?
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Tim Daneliuk wrote:

I think that was a different hypocrite. This one had a boyfriend who ran a male prostitution ring out of his apartment but claims he knew nothing about it.
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Mark & Juanita wrote:

I saw several of Obama's ACORN people on TV the other day stating they registered to vote multiple times. One, 76 times, one, 32 times and one, too many times to count. The one that said she registered too many times to count said she didn't mind, she was doing it for the good of the country.
ACORN, which has been charged with voter fraud in something like 18 different states has also been earmarked for $53 million, or billion (hard to keep track these days) in Obama money.
I think Obama and his fellow socialists can already do about anything they want due to the left wing media propaganda machine as well as the ability to get more people voting than exist, without raising nary an eye brow in the mainstream media.
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What station and program, please? I suppose the moderator/producer of the program was not supportive of ACORN.
I am against voter fraud, but I am in favor of getting people out of complaining mode and into constructive participation mode. Far less important as to whether they are left or right. Heck, some of my best friends are so far right, I look like a commie to them. I am just in favor of justice, a chance for everyone willing to work, and for responsible financing of the needs of of everyone according to their contributions to society. Capitalism is fine with me if it is responsble, and not just stealing in the Madoff sense. Socialism is fine with me too, as long as it is NOT mooching and handouts. Please contribute to society ...
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Han wrote:

Socialism is nice in theory. But in practice, it fails. Once you remove the incentive (winning and getting rich) from the equation, the people who invent and produce everything, stop doing so.
BTW, we already have the mooching and handouts in this capitalist society.
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Han wrote:

Throughout the election cycle there were numerous reports (substantiated) of this behavior. A quick Ask.com search should turn up numerous hits.

Madoff did not represent capitalism but rather fraud. Wouldn't matter what system he was a part of, his type of personality would look for a way to prosper at others' expense. In some systems, he would be at the top of the political ladder, in others, a leech on society.

Socialism will always devolve to that point. As Margret Thatcher said, "the problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money". It is a system that is not long term sustainable. One can go back to Plymouth Colony and the Mayflower compact. The Pilgrims nearly starved when they tried a socialist society; it was only after people were allowed to keep the fruits of their labors that the colony prospered. Eventually those who are productive and aggressive realize that their labor is not making any difference to them and benefiting those not as ambitious and they slack off as well. If there is no reward, there's no reason for taking risk or being overly ambitious. That's why communist and socialist states either start or eventually become totalitarian with the state instituting itself as the state religion. The religion of communism was to get people to abandon human nature and sacrifice themselves and their labor for the good of the state.

The thing is, a free market, with government ensuring that the frauds and cheats are kept at bay, is one of the most effective and efficient ways for people to contribute to society.
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