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Larry wrote:

But you can't tell. Lawrence J. Peter (founder of the "Peter Principle") once said: "I have been studying government, man and boy, for over forty years. I have yet to discover whether we are being led by well-meaning fools or by really intelligent people who are just putting us on."
'Course Peter was a Canadian...
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DGDevin wrote:

Sorry, he was no "professor" ... he was adjunct faculty in the form of a whiny lecturer.

Please review the last 100 days and the last $4 Trillion and get back to us about ObamMessiah's qualifications.

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I think all in all it is more than $4Gig, but that is besides the point. I am really anxious what this is going to mean for the future payback, but the REAL POINT is how would you otherwise have handled the results from stupid excessive Greenspan-promoted spending and borrowing? Once we all (the whole world) have been handed the problem, what is the best solution? I do not think that letting all those companies and home lenders fail is the solution. After all, the whole economy is based on consumer spending. Either you reverse that, bail out the companies, or give each individual between 50 and 100K taxfree. I would have preferred that last solution, with the proviso that it be used to first pay off the loans, than to purchase high-value consumer goods (not fake pieces of bank paper).
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Han wrote:

Debt, debt, debt and slow economic growth.

Let markets do their work and let bankruptcy courts do theirs. Quit giving my money to the rich and to the poor.

Laissez Faire

So you'd rather steal from the middle class to bail out these companys. Oh wait, I know. You want the *government* to own and run these countries as Barak Marx has done. Because, as we know, the government has done such a great job running everything else. You think corporate execs are bozos? Wait 'till Barney Frank is a CEO of something.

Why on earth - with view like this - would you ever want to live in a market environment? Your views are much more consonant with that of the former Soviet Union, the current North Korea, or Maoist China. Markets mean there will be winners AND losers. If every time there is a big loser, the government (aka those of us actually productive) have to bail them out, then there is no risk-reward feedback and no honing of the marketplace via real competitive circumstances.

I think I'm beginning to see what's wrong here - you don't understand much about money and modern economies. The pieces of paper in the bank are not "fake" (unless outright fraud is taking place). They are tokens of value whose actual worth can only be ascertained in a real, honest, and transparent market. Markets are not real, transparent, nor honest when the government distorts them and starts picking winners and losers along some politically correct axis...
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Oh stop the Boogy McCarthy-istic bullshit, Tim. There are no commies hiding under the bed or in the White House, no matter how convenient it would be in order to try to scare the people back into your fold. Your side blew it. There ain't no commies. Just honest hard-working Americans who have taken it upon themselves to right all the wrongs your side has done.  
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Robatoy wrote:

No, they are not communists. They are Marxists.

My "fold" is the Constitution of the US and the limitations on power it imposes on the Federal government. It's tragic that any citizen of this country has to be dragged back into it.

My side was never in power and thus has never had the chance to fix or break anything.

The ObamMessiah and his evil minions are niether hard-working nor honest. They are bottom feeding Chicago political scum. The people that voted for them are one of naive, greedy, or stupid...
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I agree completely. WHen bankers and rating agencies obfuscate the true value, the free market has to figure out the true value of those "securities debt obligations".
What you are saying is that we should leave the finacial markets to the speculators. We should all go back to the savings and loans to earn simple interest at half or less market rate. Let the bnakers do the investing, so the Savings and Loans can thrive. Oh, wait, we were there.
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Han wrote:

What I'm saying is way simpler than this: The government's only role in markets is to ensure their transparency and integrity, and to interdict in matters of fraud. Period. It is NOT the government's job to "encourage" bankers to lend to welfare recipients. It is NOT the government's job to decide what a "Fair" credit card policy is. It is NOT the government's job to bail out companies that have committed financial suicide. It is NOT the government's job to steal money from bond holders that have lent such companies money and turn around and give it to the lazy union slobs that take no risk of their own. It is NOT the job of government to decide how much any citizens should be permitted to earn - whether CEO or aforementioned union slob.
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Now that smacks of really good (Ύneficial to society and individuals) regulation and laws. I could vote for that.
I also would vote for compassion. The fact that Dad can pay for kids education should not mean that poor Joe and Jill can't get an education.
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Han wrote:

Government cannot practice "compassion" - only individuals can. When the government gets into the "compassion" business, it *always* picks a winner and loser.
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That's right. You had the Repuglicans look after 'transparency' and 'integrity'.
No administration has been more secretive on all issues than BushCo. So much for transparency. Say hello to Mr. Paulson. The words Bush administration and the word integrity.... I'm sorry.. I can't make a sentence with both words in it. There has never been a more corrupt bunch of greedy bastards in a single administration than in the last one, and you want those foxes to guard the hen house?
Now I KNOW you've lost your mind, Timbo.
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Robatoy wrote:

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Robatoy wrote:

Greed is good, so I'll let that pass.
Let's talk about corruption. In the eight years of the Bush administration there was ONE individual convicted of a crime. One. And his crime was giving false information to the FBI regarding events that were not criminal.
This one conviction is the smallest number in like forever. Based on empirical evidence, it is a fact that the Bush administration is the least corrupt in modern history. The Obama administration may well do better - we'll have to wait and see.
You're right, there was a lack of transparency during the Bush admisitration. But it wasn't for lack of trying.
The Bush administration tried three times during eight years to pass legislation for more oversight and reporting by Mae & Mac. All three attempts were blocked by Democrats.
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*moving HeyBub over to the Apologists column*
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Robatoy wrote:

... for citing irrefutable facts.
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Robatoy wrote:

You are kidding, right? It was the dimwit Dems that lied and covered up the mess *they* created with Fannie/Freddie going back almost two decades ago. That vile little weasel Barney Frank looked into the cameras and repeatedly said with a straight face something he KNEW was a lie: "Fannie/Freddie are not in trouble" when *BushCo* tried to warn folks otherwise.
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Wowsers.. you drank a LOT of KoolAid. Yes indeed. BushCo, being the upright people they were, were so concerned whilst letting billions of dollars float through their fingers to unscrupulous contractors in Iraq...oh wait.. those were their friends... my bad.
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Robatoy wrote:

I'm sure if there were any provable and significant illegal antics involved in Iraq contracting, they will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I certainly hope so.
But don't hold your breath. Republicans, as a rule, don't do that sort of thing.
Oh, there's the occasional transgression, I grant you. There are a few weak souls who succumb to temptation. But theft, corruption, lying, stealing, and the like, are just not part of the Republican Party platform. You've never heard of Republicans paying workers to falsify voter registrations, or trying to sell a senate seat, or storing tens of thousands of dollars in a freezer, and so on.
Don't get me wrong; Republicans are not perfect. As I said, there is the odd duck who sins. But when you use the word "corruption" and associate it with a political party or machine, you're almost always referring to a Democratic institution. One only has to think of Chicago, D.C., Detroit, John Murtha, or Louisiana to verify of what I speak.
No, "corruption" and "Republican" are not normally found in the same sentence. In fact, a Google-news search on corruption+Republican yields about 1,600 hits. Substituting 'Democrat" gets far more.
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>Tim Daneliuk wrote:

“The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of ‘liberalism’, they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.” Norman Thomas, Presidential Candidate, U.S. Socialist Party, 1948
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"evodawg" wrote

Add to the list of qualification, must have swine flu.
Afterall, he has to appoint a victim to the job tomake sure that all the rest of us are victimized. And what would be a more contemporary victim than someone who has swine flu.
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