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Han wrote:

Agreed. Investment is good. When investment is done by the government, however, weatlth, initative, and progress are destroyed. Government cannot, and must not, be the driving engine behind progress.
Here's just one example: The current drive for ethanol - mandated by the government - drives up the cost of food, harms the environment, and does not address the underlying causes for the "ethanol solution."
Insisting that ethanol is the panacea today is very much like a novelist proposed regarding soy beans some fifty years ago.
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Hah, what are taxes and tax exemptions for if not stimulating or punishing specific finaicial decisions, especially concerning investment?

I agree. It is part protectionism (Brazil makes ethanol cheaper than the US), and the laws of unintended consequences. The legislation was made to enhance the income of corn producers. While corn has many good qualities, one of the worst (and most unheralded) is that it depletes the soil of nutrients. In fact, rotating corn and legumes is almost necessary, unless you really want to support the fertilizer chemists.

Sorry, I think a word is missing. Did you mean "like what a novelist"? Even then I don't get it without more specifics. I do remember that soy and soybeans are supposed to a panacea.
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Han wrote:

Right. My mistake.
The novel was "Atlas Shrugged," and it was the insistence of the government that all resources be placed at the call of the soybean industry. Steel production was diverted to build combines to harvest the beans. Virtually all rail traffice was diverted to haul the billions of tons of soybeans to processing centers. And so on. The government marched with a single vision to the glory of soybeans, soybeans which would free us all from want and deprivation and usher in a new age of plenty that we could not imagine.
The beans rotted while parked in the rail cars.
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Robatoy wrote:

THAT was the take her handlers permitted.
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Tim Daneliuk wrote:

Did the words come out of her mouth, or not? Why would you cut her slack you'd deny to someone from the other party, aside from the obvious reason? Picking Palin was a brilliant tactical move as it reversed McCain's declining fortunes for a time. But strategically it became painfully obvious why they kept her away from the press as much as they could, she was as qualified to be VP as she is to be an NFL linebacker. Eventually I think enough people (those not hopelessly partisan) realized that, and it cost McCain votes in the endgame. It sure persuaded me, I was undecided until it became clear how screamingly unsuitable she was, and with McCain's age and health concerns there was no way I wanted her the proverbial heartbeat away from the Oval Office.
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DGDevin wrote:

So you voted for the community organizer?
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Robatoy wrote:

I have no disdain for anyone. My point was that Mrs. Palin has had much more executive experience than Mr President.
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election never happened. Regardless of yumminess.
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-MIKE- wrote:

She has more executive experience than Abraham Lincoln did when he became President too, or JFK for that matter. Would you suggest that she would make a better potential President than either of them on that basis?
If you figure "community organizer" is the portion of Obama's life that is the most important when assessing whether he's qualified to be President, then why not evaluate Palin's qualifications to be Vice President on what she was doing at an equivalent point in her career--sports reporter.
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DGDevin wrote:

So, what exactly are we supposed to judge Obama's experience by? If not his days as a community organizer, then the days he spent working with Bill Ayers and the Anneburg challenge? That's probably not your most prudent course of action. His time as a constitutional lecturer? In which, during an NPR interview he made the statement bemoaning the fact that the Constitution does not address "redistributive" justice? His time as an Illinois legislator where his most notable accomplishments were supporting infanticide and multiple gun control bills including opposing one that absolved homeowners protecting their own lives with a firearm? Or was it his 140 days in the Senate before he started running for President? Can you point to any significant bills that he sponsored or pushed through the Senate during his 140 days there?
What exactly are The One's accomplishments that made him the leading candidate from the Democrat party?
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DGDevin wrote:

Sure. You should have picked different examples.
JFK accomplished two things: One good, staring down the Ruskies regarding missles in Cuba, and one bad, the Bay of Pigs fiasco. Not one of his legislative proposals passed during his tenure. Not one.
Lincoln was directly responsible for the deaths of 600,000 Americans. But, since cotton accounted for 80% of America's trade at the time, it was imperative to keep the bucks flowing to the overall country. Like all Republicans, it is claimed, Lincoln cared more for business than the common man.

Good point. I think, however, it's more prudent to compare the job each had that had the most responsibility, respect, and ability to get things done. Obama was a community organizer, then went downhill. Palin was a reporter, then went up (which is about the only direction you can move if you're a reporter).
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DGDevin wrote:

Palin was better qualified than either Obama or Biden ... and she was not really qualified at all...
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I tended slightly towards Obama early on, while my wife leaned to McCain. My primary worry in either case wasn't experience: in executive roles, both candidates lacked that, but that's not unusual, nor, in my experience, is it particularly a problem.
When Palin popped up on-screen, I scratched my head. Eveyrone thought she was "hot," whatever that means, but nowhere was there a sign of anyone claiming her to be suitable for the office she wanted. I listened to her a couple of times, and read a few of her responses, and need no more head scratching. She's a JAY. Just Another Yuppie. But with tinges of Valley Girl airhead.
My wife listened to Palin a few times, and started tilting towards my side of the column. We both ended up voting for Obama. Part of the influence was simple. Added to my problems dealing with the fact that McCain has a temper on a par with mine was his age.
McCain is a couple years older than I am, and his health marginally the same. That was worrisome with a totally unqualified and unthinking replacement in the wings. Jack Kemp was almost certainly in better general health than either one of us, and he died of a fast growing cancer a day or so ago, at 73.
Combine iffy health, age and a rotten temper not always controlled, and there are problems. I often regret blowing my stack, but it's on a person-to-person basis, usually causing no permanent damage (beyond a couple of broken noses). That is not a box to check on a Presidential qualification list, though.
While I don't really like some of the things Obama is planning to do or has done, the transparency of his administration, and his openness about almost everything in his background, have me staying in the current two-thirds of U.S. citizens who generally approve of the job he's doing.
Whether or not he is going to be successful is an unfinished story. The guy has been in office a little over three months, trying to correct, or at least improve, a situation that was many years in building, yet people have stuck him with handles that are as asinine as the ones stuck on "Ape" Lincoln shortly before and after he took office. I realize that people such as Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter are in it for the money and will say, and do, almost anything to fatten their investment portfolios, but it is truly disheartening to see the rancor they express become as widespread as it has among people one would expect to have at least slightly better sense. I did read somewhere yesterday that only 22% of Americans today classify themselves as Republicans, which means that the noisy rancor comes from a relatively tiny percentage, with a desire to scream about their losses. I also note around here people are finally taking down the McCain-Palin-Goode signs. I figure it's time for the next campaign to begin!
I may not support all of President Obama's actions, and reserve the right to bitch, whine, moan and whimper about thos individual actions, in the meantime, I'm going to remain with the majority in supporting his overall aims.
Unlike Limbaugh, I do NOT hope Obama fails.
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evodawg wrote:

Harvard Law specializing in international relations, professor of constitutional law, state and federal Senator and so on. IMO he had less experience than I would have liked, but the "community organizer" crap is, well, crap. It's like the left claiming Bush was unqualified to be President because he was just a former baseball team owner.
Us radical centrists are having a hell of a time. We got to enjoy the left-wingnuts ranting about Bush for eight years (although truth be told at least he provided good reason to rant) and now the right-wingnuts (while still ignoring their party's abuses) foaming at the mouth over Obama being a raving socialist who intends to destroy America and sign over the deed to the UN blah blah blah. Whatever happened to common sense, is it really the endangered species it appears to be?
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Unfortunately, yes. It has been so for at least 4 years. I was told so by our very nice environmental management worker (who unfortunately has departed):
"Han, common sense is a misnomer, it is not very common."
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Han wrote:

I only got one thing to say about this Admin. and the Dems. Its way to freakin Politically Correct for my liking....
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In Washington it is. As far as I can tell it's extinct...
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