Waaay OT - Macintosh software

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OK, I'll admit to creeping senility. We went to an estate sale Friday and I bought a "fat mac" Macintosh from 1984 for the magnificent sum of $1.
I'd planned on making a "Macquarium" out of it, but just for the heck of it I plugged it in. It came up and beeped with an icon of a floppy with a question mark. How about that.
Now I'm intrigued. I did some research and found it uses 400K 3.5" floppies in some strange format which a PC disk controller can't write. I also found that Apple has no interest in supporting anything that old.
I did find some disk images of various O/S releases, but they do me no good because I can't write them in Mac format.
I'm going to look for Macintosh newsgroups as soon as I get through here, but I've seen such a wide range of interests and expertise on this group that I thought I'd give it a try too.
Does anyone have the fat mac software and the ability to copy it and send it to me? I'd pay a few bucks to cover expenses, but obviously don't want to put a lot of money into a $1 obsolete computer :-).
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Donate the computer to the smithstonian (sp) they could use it as a display for what never worked lol. Seriously I believe those computers did not have what would be a hard drive, but I could be wrong. Try the mac groups. But I like your original idea bettter
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Clif wrote:

????? Macs work fine--always have.

Didn't _need_ no steenkeeng hard drive. At the time very few small systems had them.

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I know they work fine, they are GREAT and unparalleled when it comes to graphics and that has never been a question, it just that I find it incrediblyt difficult to believe that they do not have MORE Software like the PC's. I personally like PC, and the only time I used a Mac was when I was working with a graphics program working on a newspaper
As far as the Hard Drives, PC's didnt have them either originally, and when they did , my first PC the 8088 onlyhad a 10 MEG hard drive
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Let me make it easier for you to understand why there is not more software for the older Apples and basically why Apple bassicly failed.
Apple was stingy in the beginning years and insisted that they would be the only ones to sell software or peripherals for the Apple computer. Since IBM did not discourage other makers of computers and software writers to make software for their style computers the PC naturally flourished.
Kinda like comparing a Socialist economic system to a Capitalist economic system.
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Leon wrote:

If 8 billion dollars a year is "failure".

Except that the CP/M community was even more open and IBM killed them dead. Is _any_ company that started out making CP/M machines still in business?
IBM was successful mainly because of brand recognition, not because of the superiority of their product or their policies toward developers.

I think that's quite a stretch.
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When it could have easily been in the trillions. Yeah a failure, and had Microsoft not bailed them out, probably the path of the Comodore. I wonder what the Net profit is? Sales mean nothing if the cost is equal or greater.

Still they were much more effective at marketing.

Did anyone dispute this? I do not recall reading that IBM was more successful because of a better product. They were simply superior at marketing. Hence, Apple fell way behind.

Socialism by definition,
Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
Basically Apple had the theory or system that produced, distributed and controlled its goods by itself.
Capitalism by definition,
An economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately or corporately owned and development is proportionate to the accumulation and reinvestment of profits gained in a free market.
IBM used this method.
Again, only a comparison that describes why Apple got stomped by the PC economy.
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If you ask me, the reason Apple got stomped was the lack of a capitalist system in America. MS doesn't even market that well. They manipulate and litigate well. If they had real consequences for their crimes, they probably wouldn't exist.
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???
Apparently they do as market well as "most" every computer has their product on it. They did in deed bring their product to the market place and have been rewarded for it.

>probably wouldn't exist.
What crime is that?
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C'mon Leon success in the peoples state of the USA "IS" becoming a crime. The gov't doesn't want law abiding citizens they want people they can control with more law and charge 'em for it.
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LOL I had failed to look at it that way.

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What about marketing? You're talking about other things.

Actually, many of their manipulations were crimes. Additionally they committed a variety of other crimes.
Overwhelming opponents with legal tactics is unethical as well.
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You might want to check th definition of marketing out.

According to what law in particular, and why has no one Microsoft down if this is true?
What I found extremely funny about this whole thing was when Netscape was whining about IE being included in the OS package when Netscape was also free? I always thought that what was good for the goose was also good for the gander. I recall Quicken, Netscape, and AOL all being free.
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Sorry if you're touchy about MS. I know full well what the definition of marketing is.

You know, you can find out plenty about MS's criminal and legal but unethical activities if you want.

Whatever. Regardless its inaccurate to refer to MS as some sort of example of capitalism.
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Yea what ever. Why is it windows haters like yourself always compare a proprietary hardware vender to a generic runs on anything OS. Bill wasn't competing in the same market. Apple got stomped from the Steve Jobs elitist overpriced marketing blunder thinking the "total package" would capture the market. Anyone that was involved in computers in those days knows half the geeks... (like me) were down in the basement soldering together bits and pieces from Heathkit and Team electronics... all we needed was an operating system and some cassette tape. Bill knew exactly who he was marketing to.
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You're mistaken about me.

You forgot to respond to my post.
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p_j wrote:

Uh huh. Now _who_ sued _who_ over user interface look and feel?
MS made one very good business decision. The sold to IBM at the price IBM wanted to pay. Once that deal was done they'd have had to screw up pretty bad to avoid becoming the predominant OS vendor for personal computers.
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There have probably been hundreds, if not thousands of lawsuits against Microsoft. Do you have a point?
Given a more capitalist legal system, Microsoft probably wouldn't exist.

They sold something they didn't own. How about that? Maybe you think all the other lawsuits against Microsoft were without merit, but many very conservative judges disagree.
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I see. So they successfully defend themselves against attacks by litigation and that makes them bad guys. That makes perfect sense if you believe that the way to success is to use the legal system to destroy your competition. Is that what you believe?

What did they sell that they didn't own?

You can find "many conservative judges" that disagree with just about anything for certain values of "conservative". But that is beside the point. Microsoft in general does not try to litigate their competition to death.
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Go ahead and keep your "so" conclusion. MS has done their share of litigating. They have also lost many, many lawsuits.

I would say that that is part of what MS believes. I believe that a legal system should be there as a neutral arbiter of justice, not the system in place now.

DOS.
Well, I think you will find many who would disagree with them and their panoply of predatory practices. They have availed themselves of the legal system whenever it suited their purposes.
Judges, many of them conservative, have found merit in many, many lawsuits against MS. There wouldn't have been those lawsuits if MS had not engaged in those activities.
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