Ok, I just got a new laptop. After setting things up I found where outlook
express used to be is microsoft mail. Well, I can;t find the newsgroups
there. What gives? Is there a way to subscribe to the group?
I got a low end Compaq laptop that came with Vista Basic. It had 512MB
of memory wich is fine after I put XP on it, but wasa about 1.5GB short
for Vista. I ended up putting Ubuntu 7.10 on it with vmware for running
Windows XP. I also upgraded the memory from .5GB to 2GB from
Crucial.com for about $79.
As for a news client, Thunderbird works fine under Linux and Windows (XP
Great quote from Robert Cringely: "Microsoft finally figured out how to
get respect for one of its operating systems: release a new one that sucks
harder than the last one"
/happy user of OpenSuse and amazed at how much faster it runs than Windows.
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough
Ain't it the truth! Using vmware server under Ubuntu on my desktop with
2.5GB, I also run Fedora, Win2K, WinXP and Solaris 10 simultaneously.
That combo runs faster and takes less ram than Vista, not to mention
supports all my old peripherals.
Have you entered a newsgroup feed? My isp tells me what the name of
teir newsgroup servers are. Once I have that I can search for groups.
I happen to use Agent but the concept is the same. Windows Mail.
Don't take this a gospel, but ---
I believe Vista uses Windows Live for mail but not for anything else.
If you want news you must use Outlook Express (or TB) for that function.
I have not checked to see if the MSN interface between OE and the web-based mail function in Vista is still viable.
You will probably have to DL a copy of OE or TB from the net to get the news goodies.
P D Q
Bad idea. Some people ignore postings from google gropus because of the spam.
And you can't have kill files. And it's hard to just read new articles
(since last time you read them). And it's slower as a GUI.
If you use Firefox, there is an add-in called Greasemonkey that uses a
script file called "Google Groups Killfile" which allows for basic
killfile functionality. It basically takes the fully rendered page and
hides the stuff that matches the entries in the killfine script. It's
not perfect, but it works well enough for me.
I never upgrade operating systems until the latest and greatest has been out
for 6 months or so and Microsoft has come out with at least one service pack
upgrade. None of their products are worth using until they have come out
with at least the first round of fixes for them.
98 was worthless until 98 2nd Edition came out and XP had all kinds of
quirks until XP Service Pack 1 fixed them. I'll be using XP for about
another year or so before I even consider using Vista. This holds true for
many other software vendors products as well. They all release their stuff
before it works properly and then expect their customers to help them fix
it. I'll just wait till it works and all the printer and peripheral drivers
I use whatever OS/OS version will run my software needs most reliably ...
IMO, it's the only smart way to chose/upgrade an operating system, server or
workstation, regardless of version. AAMOF, until last year I still had four
DNS servers running NT4 because that was the only thing an older version of
BIND, for which we wrote our custom DNS software, would reliably run on.
With MSFT these days, a service pack is mostly a collection of previously
issued/pushed fixes. IME, an _individual_ can miss out on some advanced
computing, particularly in the area of security, by being too rigid on when
you upgrade (all bets are off if you must support a large company of
A good example is Vista ... most, if not all, of the "performance and
reliability fixes" had already been pushed well in advance of SP1. AAMOF,
those who have installed Vista SP1 as of the last couple of days report
seeing no improvements in this area whatsoever.
Just my tuppence ...
I didn't even know that there was a SP1 for Vista yet. It's still way too
soon to adopt it, in my opinion. I'll stick with XP Pro and it's fixes. It's
working quite well for me right now so I have no desire to open a new can of
Don't blame you ... IIRC, SP1 "Final" for Vista was sent to manufacturing in
early to mid February, but many already have it, including those SP1 beta
testers for various parts of the OS. (I was involved in testing the USB
"ReadyBoost" feature and had the opportunity to download the final a couple
of weeks back, but didn't bother).
I'll wait until SP1 is pushed out on Windows Update, since I have no
problems whatsoever with Vista at this point due to the "performance and
reliability" fixes already installed.
If I recall correctly, the original question dealt with using Windows
Mail, in Vista, to access these newsgroups. I'm doing just that,
right now: Have been since I got this new computer a few days
before Christmas. I suppose I could use Microsoft Outlook, in
fact I did for a week or so, but for whatever reasons I decided
I preferred the simplicity of Windows Mail.
This computer is sitting next to a 7-year-old computer that is
currently running Windows XP with SP2. Both work well, but
the new machine has 4 times the memory and three times the
speed and, frankly, it's now my favorite. I got used to the look
and feel of Vista (not that much different from XP) and have
no problems with either system.
It may be 'slower' but it is a lot faster than I can read and write.
It is trivial to use, follows threads accross multiple groups
searches back to the earliest days of UseNet, you don't have
to subscribe to individual newsgroups, and you can use it on
any machine with web access.
The absence of a kill file is its greatest weakness, IMHO.
I've used Google Groups a bit, and have not been impressed. Everything's
so much easier through a real newsreader. Plus, I have a kill file. (It
matches regular expressions, too, so I get some practice.)
My ISP recently "switched to Google" or "Offloaded a bunch of stuff to
Google so they can make more profit." One of the things to go was NNTP
access. So now, I'm paying for Usenet NNTP access.
I do switch to Google Groups when I want to search for messages. One
thing Google excells at is, of course, search.
Marching to the beat of a different drum is great... unless you're in
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