US Veteran's Day

[mjmwallace]

From one veteran to all others:

I want to thank you for your service to our country.

Hope you're having a great day.

[Han]

" [e-mail]" wrote in news:5c65203f-6678- [e-mail]:

I'll be eternally thankful to all veterans, especially those who liberated Europe in WWII.

My hat off to all veterans!

[mjmwallace]

Misplaced apostrophe, should be Veterans, not Veteran's.

But still the sentiment is the same.

Thanks.

MJ

[-MIKE-]

ehem..... Veterans' Day in any case, I think most just leave out the apostrophe, altogether.

Irony aside, thank you to any woodworking veterans in this group. You willingness to serve in my stead for my freedom is not something I take lightly. You have my utmost respect and gratitude.

[Swingman]

Backatcha: Army 1968 - 1972

On that same note:

[Tim W]

Isn't this an international group?

Tim w

[Max]

Same to you and all other vets.

Max US Army, 1949-1953

1st Cav. Korea, '50 - '51

[Swingman]

What does that have to do with it?

[Lee Michaels]

Disarming Remembrance Day

November 9, 2010: A hundred teenage members of the British Army Cadet Force in Plymouth have been suddenly told that they would not be able to carry rifles, as they traditionally have, during the annual November 11th Remembrance Day parade. The reason given was that it was inappropriate to have the teenage cadets carrying rifles in public because it glamorizes weapons. The cadets disagreed, but the decision stood.

The Army Cadet Force began 160 years ago as an organization for boys who were intent on eventually joining the militia (a local defense tradition dating back over a thousand years). The Cadet Corps quickly became a national organization and was supported by the British Army as a way to introduce teenage boys to the military, and help recruiting. The Army Cadet Force lost its government funding in the 1920s, but continued via donations from individuals and local organizations. The Army Cadet Force was similar to the Boy Scouts (also founded in Britain), but with a more military orientation. This included the local cadets marching in Remembrance Day parades, often with the rifles they had learned to use, and had practiced drilling with. Girls were allowed to join the Army Cadet Force in the 1980s.

Currently, there are about 1,700 Army Cadet Force detachments, with 47,000 cadets and 8,500 adult staff and instructors. With the decline in the number of veterans (conscription was abolished in the 1950s and the armed forces has been shrinking ever since), more and more of the adult staff have had no military experience. Thus the emphasis on military matters has declined, and the Army Cadet Force was increasingly described by its leadership as a youth, not military, organization. As a result of this, ten years ago, a new rule was introduced that eliminated cadets carrying rifles during parades. But the rule was not always enforced. This year, in Plymouth, it was. This got some media attention, especially since the cadets had carried their rifles in a parade two months ago. The sudden decision to enforce the "no rifles" rule was attributed to complaints from members of the public. But it's actually been a long term trend.

Remembrance Day commemorates the end of World War I, and has come to be an event that honors all war dead. Remembrance Day events are held in Britain, and most Allied countries who participated in World War I. In the U.S., November 11th is called Veterans Day, because Americans commemorate the war dead on Memorial Day in May, an occasion that dates to the 19th century custom of honoring the dead of the American Civil War (1861-5), and later modified to cover the dead from all American wars. Thus the November 11 commemorations in Europe and the British Commonwealth, are a bigger deal than they are in the United States.

[Disbelief]

With all due respects to your veterans Han, there were a few other countries who were actually fighting from 1939 to 1945.

America entered the war in December 1941 and then *HELPED* to liberate Europe, along with the British, Anzac, Canadian, Indian, Polish, French, Russian and many other armies - as *THEY* helped America to defeat the Japanese.

America was also late entering the war to end all wars 1914 - 1918 and only participating from 1917.

Please read a true history on those conflicts before you infer that America won anything single handily.

Once again, my respects to *ALL* the allies that fought and died in war.

[Disbelief]

Snipped

From a Brit.

You really don't need to carry arms to remember those that fell in war, in fact, there were millions in the UK who didn't. This isn't America where carrying arms is almost mandatory and guns are worshipped as gods!

Let us do as we wish, as you do in your country - after all, that's what the men who fought these wars died for.

[Han]

"Disbelief" wrote in news:ibhper$hnu$ [e-mail]:

Disbelief, I think you are misinterpreting my words. I said ALL veterans. Most f Holland (where I grew up) was liberated by Brits and Canadiens. My high school was on the General Foulkes Road, the Canadian general who accepted the surrender of the Germans in Holland in the town where I grew up, Wageningen. That is about 8 miles from Arnhem, where many Poles, Brits, Canadians and others died in Operation Market Garden (the movie A Bridge Too Far). I could go on ...

[Lee Michaels]

"Disbelief" wrote

You Brits have taken weapons phobia to new heights. You have brainwashed chefs proclaiming there is no needs for cooking knives. We get media reports on a semi regular basis that shows one more idiotic example of you you are turning into a siisified nanny state. And there are many folks in the US who are trying to do this here as well.

Is that what they fought and died for? To be a bunch of sissies?

[Tim W]

[...]

They had a lot of reasons for that. Some because they thought the war would enable people to live in peace, some because they would get shot by their own side if they didn't. I suppose there must have been some that just loved flags and uniforms and guns and violence.

Generally in my country the war dead are remembered on this day with grief and sadness as well as pride. It is not ever a celebration of how great our military is. It is about loss and mourning.

Tim W

[Swingman]

You're wasting your time, Han ... that's not what he's up to.

Trolls can try to revise history, but they can't change the facts for the following WW II Allied military dead (estimated, as in all war casualties) who are remembered on this day:

British Empire and Commonwealth 452.000 France 250.000 USA 295.000 Soviet Union 13.600.000 Belgium 10.000 Holland 10.000 Norway 10.000 Poland 120.000 Greece 20.000 Yugoslavia 300.000 Checoslovaquia 20.000 China 3.500.000

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[Lew Hodgett]

RE: Subject

I'm old enough to remember when Nov 11 was celebrated as "Armistice Day" in honor of those who served in WWI.

First celebrated to remember "The eleventh month, the eleventh day, the eleventh hour".

The change to "Veteran's Day is a rather recent event.

Lew

[Swingman]

Depends upon the perspective of age:

June 1, 1954

My 25 daughter thinks it has always been that way ... and it has, to her.

:)

[Lew Hodgett]

----------------------------- The year McCain graduated from high school.

Lew

[Swingman]

No ... never even heard of it until just now.

But damn I love do love those BBC programs. You Brits historically have had the best written TV on the planet. The Masterpiece Theater series alone has been a source of years of top quality programming for us yanks.

AAMOF, and IMO, your re-runs are about the only thing worth watching on the 500 available channel options I have ... a literal garbage heap, almost without exception.