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So many things that are now labelled green, aren't. Take a look at the stuff they put in Prius batteries. Oh yummy. One of the biggest NON-green cars is made my a company which brags about their 'greenness'. (Volkswagen Taureg(sp?) A well tuned 327ci Chevy engine from the late 60's can run as clean as anything we've got today. But it seems that the only way to fix anything politically is to throw buckets of bullshit at it. "Make it LOOK green."
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On 7/22/12 10:47 AM, Robatoy wrote:

I read an article that showed the average electric/hybrid car has a much larger carbon footprint than a gasoline car, when you look at its total life, from manufacturing to disposal.
This isn't the original article, but it explains it well enough. http://hotair.com/archives/2011/06/13/electric-cars-not-so-green-after-all /
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On 7/22/2012 10:47 AM, Robatoy wrote:

Exactly my point to the greenies, The Hummer was better for the environment than the Prius when you consider the energy to
Manufacture, Operate, and Dispose of when their life cycles have been reached.
I think greenies believe that two cars built and operated the same pollute the same unless one them is painted green.
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WHAT? You mean you haven't read the factually confirmed, scientifically proven article that air might slipstream over a green car more easily than other coloured cars?
Geez Leon. Stay up to date!
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On 7/18/2012 7:41 AM, Han wrote:

Equally remarkable about 1981 is that it is an odd number year.
You can make any figures tell you what you want them to say. We do not know the reason for climate change or how long it will last of if the earth is naturally warming up to offset what did 40 years ago to cool thing off unknowingly. We are going thorough a normal cycle.
That said the current findings and bits of data collected may explain why the cave man is no longer around. His collection of data indicated that there should be no more cooking with fire as it added too much to the global pollution which was on every ones minds back then. They starved to death trying to save the world. ;~)
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response. What would the politically correct explanation be? And how could we battle "global cooling"?
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On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 10:02:46 -0400, "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net> wrote:

Raise taxes.
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Lee Michaels wrote:

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"Leon" wrote:

What is getting lost is the fact that there are over 30 million CO2 belching automobiles operating in China and India that weren't in operation 10 years ago.
Couple that with the clear cutting of the rain forests and you have a real out of balance CO2 situation.
It is only going to get more out of balance unless the problem is addressed.
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So put a carbon tax on Chinese cars. <sheesh>

So ban clear cutting rain forests. Obama should be able to pass that law, at least. Right? He's had over three years.

There oughta be a law!
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If you are so happy to tax anyone, why don't you contact Congress? They're the ones with the "purse strings".
Ok, fun aside, whether or not you think there is a problem or not, the increased production of CO2 is not helping the perceived problems. And I would dearly see another "Elfstedentocht" in Holland during my life time. A 200 km skating race on natural ice is just awesome ...
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Isn't that the answer to every "problem", real or perceived?

"It's not helping the perceived problem", says it all. It matters less whether, or not, there is a "problem", than it matters that there is a *perception* of a problem. Perception is reality, I guess. Thank you, AlGore.
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Sorry, wrong choice of words. It isn't a question whether global warming is happening, it is. The problem is whether one believes our increasing CO2 conetent of the atmosphere has a major or a minor effect here. That's the perception I speak of.
Being an ostrich never helped anyone.
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On 7/18/2012 3:49 PM, Han wrote:

good thing for life in general.
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Define "Global Warming". Does it mean something (anything) is changing? If so, there's no question.
Does it mean that the Earth is getting warmer? Maybe. The jury is still out.
"Dangerously so"? No.
Does it justify higher taxes? Absurd.
Is it possible to do anything about it, if we wanted to. Nope.

...and what is the cart and what is the horse.

Exactly the "perception" I spoke of above, too. You believe the perception is more important than the reality.

Then STOP!
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On 07/18/2012 02:49 PM, Han wrote:

And wondering if warming follows increasing C02 or increasing C02 follows warming.

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...and further wondering that why it is that now, warming follows CO2 when the record shows that it has *always* led CO2. That "science" has always escaped me. Of course then there is that "heat island" thing. ...and the outright lies by the "scientists" who are profiting from "global warming". Nah, nothing about the "science" to be concerned about.

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Well, there is a "re" in research ...
That is indeed a factoid (if it isindeed true - have to stay at least as skeptical as others) that I cannot explain, but it has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with the unassailable fact that we are generating CO2 by burning wood and fossil fuels. It seems to me to be logical to conclude that that CO2 is at least contributing to the roughly doubled quantity of CO2 in the atmosphere, and that such CO2 could be at least one factor in the global warming process.
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Which is why I cannot fathom that the greenies aren't all over coal production. It's the single worst offender in the clean air scene.
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