This is so cool! A 'safety' table saw that detects your finger.

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Okay, I watched the video and all I could say was "WOW!". This saw is probably fairly expensive. Besides, I have a nice one and am always very careful.
http://www.sawstop.com/how-it-works-videos.htm
But it only takes one mistake to lose a finger. Click on the link and watch the videos linked on the site. It's amazing. I have to ask - is this for real or is this some kind of high tech joke?
Has anyone else seen this machine before?
Jack
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"mywebaccts (at) PLUGcomcast.net" wrote:

Technologically it is interesting, however it has failed miserably from a business perspective since the public doesn't want it.
Further reason to not patronize the company is the fact that in their desperation to recover the development costs for their failed product they are attempting to get the government to require manufacturers to license and incorporate their technology in new saws.
This of course is essentially trying to get the government to force consumers to purchase the product. Not only should you not patronize a company as unethical as the sawstop folks, you should actively oppose their corrupt efforts.
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Do you have finantial figures to back up you claim here? LOL Since the saw is in production and selling within a few years of having been introduced I would say it is a success despite personal feelings about the saw.

Any law against that? I believe that is called ummmm Capitolism.

Oh you have a hard on... I see.
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On 26 Feb 2006, Leon spake unto rec.woodworking:

A quick googling of "sawstop" brings your name up 290 times to Pete C.'s once. Check your own pants.
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I guess I've had it wrong all these years. I always thought capitalism had something to do with building a superior product so the public would freely choose to buy it, not with lobbying the government to force people to buy something that they didn't want.
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Well, I guess I've been wrong all these years as well. I always thought capitalism had something to do with the private ownership of the means of production. Frequently associated with, but not synonymous with, free markets.
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Down at the sausage factory we no longer make links, but extrude one huge sausage and cut it to length on the table saw. Production was up and we made a lot of money so we bought some new saws from a company called Saw Stop. Looked like a good product, but we've been having a lot of failures every time we cut a sausage. What are we doing wrong?
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Edwin Pawlowski wrote:

helps. (You might have to look in the Business to Business phone book to find an oven long enough to hold their entire length...nothing comes easily...) <g>
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Ok, you just made that up.....!!! ;~). the Saw Stop only works on wieners.
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wrote:

Switch it to "sausage cutting mode". There is a switch, presumably for just this purpose.
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Simple... it's supposed to be: "Cut the cheese" "Hide the sausage"
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Robatoy wrote:

Bop the baloney...
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Well yes you have . LOL I'm guessing for at least the last 40+ years government involvement has helped Capitalism thrive. Superior product??? Please.... The American car manufacturing industry persuaded government into charging high import taxes so that their competition would have to sell at higher prices. The Capitalism that you are thinking about has not quite been like you recall for many many years. In one way, shape , or form many large companies have received help from the government to make us pay more and pay for things that we do not necessarily want. How about mandatory auto insurance in many states if not all. Why do you think government positions are so darn appealing to all the corrupt individuals that run for office? Why does a man spend millions upon millions of dollars on his campaign when the salary return is a fraction of what he paid to get into office, and yet he ends up with more money than he started with? How about Digital TV? Every one that wants to watch free TV will one day soon have to have a Digital Tuner or a TV with a Digital Tuner as analog is fazed out in the next few years. How about that stock market. What quality product is being sold there? SawStop is just one more company legally enjoying Capitalism in the U.S. I agree that it would be nice if Capitalism existed with out government involvement as you stated but it simply does not exist that way in these times.
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That's capitalism with a conscience. True capitalism is every person for themselves.
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You do indeed have it wrong. Capitalism is about making money. It has nothing to do with the superiority of the product.
VHS beat out Beta. PC's outsell Macintosh.
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The Mike Berger entity posted thusly:

Because Sony did not pay attention to what the public wanted the most... length of recording on one tape.

Because few people wanted to access the computer through a single button. How would you like to build a hutch and sideboard using only one finger?

And misreading the public's wants is a sure road to failure.
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No, you have it wrong, too. State-owned firms in a socialist system also try to make money. One might argue that private ownership of capital (capitalism) increases the focus of managers on profit relative to those working for state-owned firms, but it is a lot more complicated than saying that "capitalism is about making money". Capitalism is about who owns the capital.
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"alexy" wrote in message

True capitalism is based on enlightened self interest, with a healthy dose of moral rectitude required.
It would do well for all of you (and our present Lawyer/MBA culture) to go read Adam Smith, again, or for the first time.
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Swingman wrote:
<<True capitalism is based on enlightened self interest, with a healthy dose of moral rectitude required. >>
Here, here. I am a dyed in the wool capitalist, but I do charity work when I can. I like money and some of the things it can buy, but I don't covet it. Our current culture seems to thing that capitalism is bad... especially if they haven't found financial success.
The self employed plumber that is a one man shop is just as much capitalist as someone like Ken Lay. Without "moral rectitude", you can see however where Ken Lay has landed along with his cohorts. But the plumber that feels like he can work harder, smarter, in a more clever fashion with less waste sees capitalism as a way to get ahead. Respect for money and the system that allows you to make it is part of capitalism.
In my reading, too many times the examples I see about how bad and unfair capitalism is to society is simple confusion about lack of ethics or integrity in the case when people have money. Lack of ethics or integrity used to get more money (or anything else) is called "greed". Capitalism is a system, a type of economic methodology. It is nothing else; if one wants to be greedy and get more money by underhanded means, this is not "capitalism". It is avarice.
Strangely, the same system that Sawstop used (an attempt to get ahead and win economic advantage) was the same system that shut down that effort. The "I'm not gonna pay for it, you can't make me pay for it, I'll cut my fingers off first" is a true sign of capitalism at work. A choice of perceived >value< was made and it ended the effort.
Hopefully, the questions of "how much would that cost change the manufacturing processes?" and "how much would it add to the cost?" On top of that, if it added too much $$$ to the bottom line to implement the govt. monitoring of the new Sawstop program, I am sure the folks listening didn't want hear more bitching and court cases about how unfair it was that one group owned the technology. Besidie, where would the money come from to implement and monitor these changes? A tax increase? Then the thinking has to come down to, "how many of those woodworkers are actually my constitients that would make me want to increase taxes, and then listen to me get skewered as a pork barrel politician?"
And just maybe.. maybe.. one of the nitwits in Washington that listened to their pitch was able to see what was going on. You may have to just go with me on that last one. Personally, I don't know how far this effort got since I have never even met or talked to anyone that knew when it was presented to Congress in any way.
And I am wondering how far it actually got. After all, I don't recall anyone here regaling us with tales of their soirre to Washington to fight the Sawstop campaign. I never signed a petition from angry woodworkers to stop Sawstop or their nefarious campaign; I never heard of any grassroots movement to stop them by an angry citizenry of woodworkers made up of "the common man". A lot of pissed off people here that don't like Sawstop or capitalism, but I never saw them on the news "speaking out" against the Sawstop conspiracy.
But just like Homer Simpson says, it is >fun< to strike a blow against the man. It may not amount to much, and you may not have actually done anything but talk about it. But it is fun. I think a lot are just as like the guy in the new Sprint commercial that is "sticking it to the man".
Robert
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