Only four Shakers are left in the world, all living in southern Maine.
But if they can't attract converts to their celibate lifestyle and this
really is the end for them, they have a plan to ensure that their legacy
lives on forever.
I don't suppose that the shakers have a very good understanding of biology.
Since they follow absolute celibacy, they can not reproduce. And like all
good religions, they don't want to change traditional practices. Apparently
their God would not approve of any changes. The net result is very
I'm sure you slapped yourself on the back after posting this because of your
assumed semi-humorous content. Because they are celibate, you assume they
are stupid? Do you believe the same about Buddhist monks?
Don't get all upset.
There are other obvious problems. Bhuddists can continue to exist because it
is attractive enough to draw in converts. The Shaker religion is not.
Whatever religion it is, if you can not sustain it, there is something
wrong. Did God create the sect so it could die out? That seems like a good
definition of stupid to me.
The first is true, and I think the last is true. I ain't sure about the
one in the middle.
Any religious sect maintains itself by gaining adherents. This is
either done by recruitment or reproduction.
The fact the Shakers have been unable to recruit is not necessarily a
comment about those they have failed to recruit.
Well, I wasn't going to waste this on Mr. Michaels, but there are probably
multiple factors resulting in the decline of the Shakers. First, even at
their zenith, there weren't really all that many...only about 6000. There
has also been a migration of the population away from rural areas where the
Shakers operated into the cities. Although Shakers don't procreate, they
did adopt orphans. New laws passed in 1960 barred them from adoption. And
if you believe that society as a whole values the things the Shakers value,
I think you're kidding yourself. Add on top of that that, unlike other
religious sects, it doesn't appear to me that Shakers do a lot of active
Lots of good ideas end up failing for one reason or another, but it doesn't
automatically make the idea stupid, as Mr. Michaels seems to think.
Did I say such a thing? Don't think I did... I think I said that I
ain't sure that (what you said) "Their demise speaks more to our
society than their stupidity" is true. I'll leave it as an exercise for
the reader to decipher exactly what is, was, or could be meant by that.
From what I read they don't actively recruit at all. That's their
choice, and they are certainly aware that the four of them may be the
last. Again, their choice.
This religion thing gets everybody worked up doesn't it?
I notice that you did not address the real issue that was being discussed.
Which was, is it a sign of intelligence that all members of a particular
religion dies? Do you consider adapting to the world a sign of stupidity or
Is convenience a bad thing?? Particularly if it prevents death?
Would you rather be "pure" and dead?
???? Buddhists make more Buddhists the old fashioned way. There is nothing
in Buddhism that requires celibacy. It's not even required for monks in
But Todd, Buddist monks do not comprise all of Buddism. There are
practicing Buddists among clerks, computer programmers, trash
collectors, etc. The monks are the celibate priesthood of the religion
NOT the religion itself. Same with Catholic priests (no jokes about
the recent scandels please!). And we all know that neither Catholicism
and Buddism is dying. Whereas the Shakers as a whole are
celibate. They have to rely on conversions for growth and as
it was previous noted, adoption to have children to be raised in the
Sad to see them die out like this. They live(d) gently on this
land and we are the worse as a people to see go.
my gosh you guy's are sure getting shook up over the shakers. is this
what happens if ya get to close? remember we still have moony's out
there. i hope because of the mention people don't start, well you know
...and the Moonies make guns, not furniture, seeds, and wooden boxes. ;~)
Justin Moon, son of the Reverend, runs Kahr (or did... haven't been paying
much attention lately). They make various handguns, Thompson sub-machine
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