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J. Clarke
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Babbit invented the table saw - or portable circular saw used by wordworkers making furniture. The large circularsaw used in sawmills was "invented " in the late 1700s in europe - and ganged circular saws were in use well before 1800 to cut several boards at once.

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clare

I don't see circular blade any where, if this is the patent for a circular blade. Seems more a patent for saw mill machinery.

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Leon

I would love to see a drawing to back this up. I am closer to believing this but " through the small wheel goes a square bar of iron, that receives the saws, which are a circular figure, does not quite convince me. I know I am being anal about the description, but saws are not blades. And there is not mention of blades that I saw. A drawing would be what I would need to see.

There is a lot of readily available historic documentation that backs up Babbit.

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Leon

So what did these saws saw with, silly putty?

I'm sorry, Leon, but you're not being anal, you're being an idiot and I'm done with you.

Reply to
J. Clarke

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Tried to help but it appears reading comprehension may not be your strong suit. What is? A contrary attitude or something else as others have suggested?

"that receives the saws, which are a circular figure," written in the stilted language (or legalese) of the times seems to suggest to everyone else a circular saw. What do YOU think it means? An early version of the Stryker saw with a half moon blade (but it could be called circular) that cuts by vibrating against solid resistance?

Try clicking on a few of these links and read them through. If you plan on being obstinate, the least you could do is do a bit of investigation on your own and read what's out there rather than just shaking your head "No!"

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Reply to
Unquestionably Confused

No need to get uppity. I stated I was being anal and the key words that I was looking for. Did you see circular blade?

This could easily be describing a band saw which has a circular blade which is circular too.

and yet we have see several links describing the Quaker woman as being the first. You posting this, does this make you obstinate?

Reply to
Leon

Thank you for that, you are of no help at all.

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Leon

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Not only does it "suggest" it, it says it specifically and without equivocation. I was unaware of this patent previously; that's pretty kewl and thanks quoting it but as I was reading it I was struck with precisely the thought outlined in the link to it that notes that it "... is worded in such a way as to imply that the circular blades were commonplace by that time."

That implication would be my impression as well as that there were in all likelihood various forms and incarnations of saws with circular blades all over particularly western Europe/England far earlier than this that individuals had cobbled up on their own. I'd venture the very first circular cutting blade probably preceded even this by quite a long time and there may well have been something tried clear back in the Roman times or earlier we just haven't come across. Anybody checked all of Archimdes' sketches and/or da Vinci?

We tend to forget there were a lot of _very_ clever folk way back when...in some ways far more so than currently where the "average joe" has become so dependent upon technology available from vendors simply for the asking...

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dpb

And as I have stated, I am being anal. This can be read to be understood almost any way you want it to. It very well could be the real deal but as you have point out maybe this was not the first. I'm not trying to be difficult, it's that there are other equally compelling sources that mention other people and times.

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Leon

Again, it goes to comprehension, I guess. Tabitha Babbit was born in

1784 and the first patent mentioned for circular saws was issued 1777. If she was able to invent the circular saw 7 years before she was born, why didn't she invent the multi-tool and SawStop while she was at it?

"There is an oft-quoted assertion that the circular saw blade was invented in 1813 by Shaker Sister Tabitha Babbitt (1784?1854). This is most often cited by Shaker ?historians?, aficionados-of or workers-in that design idiom, or by other parties who are simply parroting the aforementioned mentioned sources. However, there is nothing in the historical record to document this claim, and considering the existence of the Miller patent some thirty-six years before, and various authoritative and credible sources on the history of woodworking technology describing systems in use more than a century before that, this claim is unsubstantiated and without basis in fact."

Your band saw comment is equally telling. The bandsaw was invented in

1808 by William Newberry, but it never really went anywhere until the French developed a metallic blade that could withstand the constant flexing ca 1860.

Maybe the circular blade you attribute to Samuel Miller's patent was a

50' coil of chain saw blade.

Ignorance can be cured, stupid is forever.

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Unquestionably Confused

On 08/17/2015 8:20 AM, Leon wrote: ...

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Absolute nonsense. Where would the square iron bar onto which the saws are placed go for a bandsaw and where are the two supporting wheels that would be required mentioned? You are simply being an ...

Read for the meaning, not with a preconceived notion of having to have a particular word of modern usage in a document of nearly 250 years' age simply to try to make an argument.

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And several explanations and clear demonstration that while she may have been an independent implementor, she was clearly _NOT_ first (excepting, in her local Amish community).

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dpb

And, I must say, neither are you...

Reply to
dpb

On 08/17/2015 8:50 AM, Leon wrote: ...

This isn't "anal", it's move to the realm of just arguing for the sake of arguing. It can't be reasonably read to mean anything other than what it means; it's quite clearly written albeit in language of 250 yr ago or so, not in today's uni-syllable style. You're deliberately _mis_interpreting it.

Which, specifically, do you think more (or even equally) "compelling" that predate this and what (other than obstinacy) prevents acceptance of this at face value for what it clearly says?

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dpb

Not trying to be a help, just looking for a better explanation of who really invented the circle saw "blade".

I'm sorry if me not seeing this the same way as others is causing anguish and the need to call names. It really does not matter.

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Leon

The same could be said of your interpretation. The 250 year old language could be the problem or maybe not.

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or this which suggests others invented the blade

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Reply to
Leon

I think I can resolve this for you guys. My wife bought a parakeet last week. He or she clamps her beak on a (ladder) dowel and twists--with enough affect that it drew my attention. If you listen close, you might be able to hear him chirping in the next room...I may need to get hearing protection to use with my saw... ; )

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Bill

I just heard a big "THUD" a minute ago--I thought What could he have possibly dropped??? Checking around, A large Redtailed Hawk flew into my window--no doubt after my new new circular saw! He flew off after a few minutes, so no harm no foul, I guess. I could see the parakeet on his perch through the window when I was mowing, but it didn't occur to me that anyone/anything else would take an interest.. Put a naked light blue bird in your window and the voyeurs come out...lol!

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Bill

Leon wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@giganews.com:

No, it's YOUR inability to understand the English language or a mental condition which you seem to have.

Well now, Leon you have moved from being anal to being a full fledged a**hole. You cannot be that dense. Even the "citations" you offer indicate that Tabitha was not the first, just that she appears to have come upon the principle/design independently.

Do you... Can you.. actually read anything and understand what it is you're reading? Try moving your lips as you mouth the words. That may help!

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Phantom Four

Piss Off!

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Leon

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